The trouble with vaping . . .

[engineer]

The trouble with vaping . . .

Much has been blogged and advertised on the advantages of vaping over smoking - and quite justified. But there are a few downsides. Suppliers take note!

1. Technology inadequately explained – for example, what’s single, double and triple atomisers and what are the advantages: why can’t screw threads be standardised so that batteries will fit all atomisers: what’s the difference between VP and PP and why don’t suppliers tell us which one we’re going to get or offer us a choice? >

2. Nicotine - When I smoked, I had my nicotine intake down to 0.1mg (SilkCut Ultra (or whatever they’re allowed to be called now). With vaping, I have to go to 8mg/ml to even get the hint of a throat hit. It scares me to think of what my nicotine intake is now!

3. E-Juice – why do some suppliers send out 0mg E-juice without a trace of flavour. Enough I have to reduce the nicotine strength myself without watering down the flavour as well. And, by-the-way, why is the cost of E-Juice entirely independent of nicotine strength – the most expensive component? ???

. . . and for newbies . . .

4. Apart from fiddling around incessantly trying to ‘fill’ the tips and keeping a sufficient back up of batteries which never last long enough, the biggest single problem will be keeping it out of your mouth. You can ‘vape’ anywhere you like – even on your motorbike - so there’s nothing to limit your intake of nicotine.

. . but it is so very much better than smoking!!!

[Deleted]

lol i know how you feel

[Karma]

Please don't worry about your nicotine intake. Nicotine from vaping is absorbed in a different way to smoking so you're probably not really taking in that much from your 8mg juice

I agree about the technology often not being explained properly, that's why I'm so pleased that I found this forum when I was starting out, I'm not sure if I'd have stuck with it if it hadn't been for members here explaining a lot of the stuff

[Perpetua]

Jul 16, 2012 11:17:53 GMT engineer said:

2. Nicotine - When I smoked, I had my nicotine intake down to 0.1mg (SilkCut Ultra (or whatever they’re allowed to be called now). With vaping, I have to go to 8mg/ml to even get the hint of a throat hit. It scares me to think of what my nicotine intake is now!

Don't get too bogged down with what your nicotine intake is I'd say Engineer, your body absorbs it differently from how it would from a tobacco cigarette, so it's no surprise to find that you use 8mg to feel a nicotine ' satisfaction ' with your vaping. Which is actually quite low in the scheme of things.

Personally, I'm happy to chug away from dawn til dusk if I possibly can and providing I'm keeping well hydrated and the juice strength isn't too high, then my body is happy as well.


As for the technology being fully explained, well that's what we and other forums are here for, plus the vast majority of Vendors are more than happy to walk you through anything that you don't understand.

It's a very helpful community all round . . .

[DiscoDes]

1. a) "what’s single, double and triple atomisers"
I think you mean coils? More coils more surface area to turn the liquid into vapour, but more coils = more power required.

b) "why can’t screw threads be standardised"
For the average user/vaper they are, most are, 510 or Ego (which has a 510 internal thread, in the main.

c) "what’s the difference between VP and PP" -
I'm not sure what you mean here? Do you mean VG and PG? If you do just look in the newbies section , it tells you what the difference is.

2. Nicotine strength
You CANNOT directly link the advertised mg content on a pack of cigarettes to liquid strength, vapor is different to smoke from a cigarette. What you should be comparing is the absorption of nicotine which is much lower with vaping compared to smoking.

3. a)"why do some suppliers send out 0mg E-juice without a trace of flavour" -
If you buy a e-liquid that you're not happy with the taste of contact the vendor, there are many good vendors that will supply liquid with plenty of taste.

b) "why is the cost of E-Juice entirely independent of nicotine strength – the most expensive component?"
I think you'll find that the flavouring is the most expensive component of e-liquid.

4. TRUE

[ciar]

Welcome mate, I myself had that issue with the nicotine strength, I was a silk cut purple smoker which is 0.6mg, I use 18-20mg all the time, it works just fine rarely if ever get that nicotine overdose feeling from vaping

your so right it is much better than smoking!

[Chrissie]

Long time no see Engineer. Remind us which e-cig you are using - there are now far better ones on the market since you joined us

[engineer]

Good to see you all and with so many helpful suggestions and information. I really am most grateful not say relieved that my nicotine intake is not as much as I think.

Hi Chrissie - still using a 901 but have a 510 as well. Neither work particularly well without a lot of fiddling

Hi DiscoDes - many thanks for your most helpful comments and - yes - it was VG and PG (Can't spell!)

And Karma and Perpetua - thanks. You're right. It's time I used this forum a lot more.

[engineer]

by the way. . . anyone know what a driptip is or does? ???

[leftfield]

A driptip does what it says literally. It's a mouthpiece you put on an atomiser instead of the normal mouthpiece so you can drip liquid straight into it rather than take the mouthpiece off every time.

You can also use it on other things if you prefer the shape of a drip tip - I use one on my clearomisers instead of the stock ones.

Nicotine absorption rate for ecigs is as of yet undefined. I've seen nothing substantial saying how much we actually get yet. For cigarettes, it's around 10% absoption rate. Normal cigarettes are 10mg of nicotine give or take and you get 1mg of nicotine from it. That's where the 1mg rating on the packet comes from - it's not 1mg total in the cigarette, it's actually 10.

If you used the same 10% on ecigs, then 8mg liquid is actually less than a normal cigarette already as it would be 0.8mg per ml vaped. As I said though, you can't know exactly how much we absorb so it's just a matter of listening to your body to tell if you have too much or too little.

I only have around 8mg as well, but I have seen others use high ones like 42mg or 32mg which I simply couldn't do but they seem to handle it just fine so there's a really big difference in how we're absorbing nicotine from vaping it seems.

[ev]

I agree that flavour concentrates are probably the most expensive component with e-liquids. Consider that most flavours are blends of two or more flavour concentrates, I have one flavour where there is eight or nine, and the cost soon mounts up.

[engineer]

That's really helpful, Leftfield. Taken together with Perpetua's input, I feel much relieved.
Many Thanks