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Aw, bummer that Frankie's unhappy.

Yes, I'd say it's probably worth giving Feliway a try again. Guessing you used it when Lumen first arrived? As long as you've still got the unit that plugs into the wall you only need to get another bottle of the refill liquid.

Cheapest I could find is here: www.medicanimal.co.uk/
They have the refills for £14.40, if you need the plug bit as well it's £18.90. Delivery free.

Just a tiny addition to your information collection (as if you don't have enough to be going on with!), I've been told that the 'zero' at the end is to tell you it is a ROUND battery.
(Must confess that I have no idea what digit gets used if it isn't round, though...)

If she's after something more 'ladylike', does she actually want something with a smaller form factor? If so there's the SD Keyring which is way smaller than eGo/Riva batteries and uses cartomisers which she could refill. I've not tried them myself but loads of people have and seem to rate them.

Another alternative worth looking at might be something based on the KR808D-1 batteries, they work well (particularly with the horizontal coil cartomisers) and have nice slim, elegant look to them. Only place I can think of which I know sells them here in UK is Jacvapour, other members may know of other stockists?

Best of luck!

Actually, this isn't easy to grasp at a glance, and as it happens no it doesn't mean they are lowering the strength of the liquid in their cartridges, in fact they are increasing it - quite substantially, too. You're right about one thing, WHU, this is definitely interesting.

Apart from anything else, they've revised the 'table' on that page since I first followed your link earlier on this afternoon when this thread first caught my eye. I've tried to show roughly what the table originally said from memory - apologies if I don't make too good a job of it! It definitely gave mg/ml values for the 'new' strengths which had direct equivalents when given as mg per cartridge values; this made it obvious that their cartridges must have a capacity of 1/3ml each.

Current range Nicotine New range
(Name) (mg/ml) (mg per cartridge)

Zero Zero Zero
Low 10mg N/A
Medium 15mg 5mg
High 20mg N/A
V-High 25mg N/A
X-High 30mg 10mg

N/A N/A 15mg

I definitely took on board there WASN'T a 'current' equivalent to the 'new' 15mg and it seemed very clear to me that a 1/3ml cartridge containing 15mg of nicotine would HAVE to be filled with
45mg/ml strength liquid. Yup, 45mg/ml. I reckon that one'll give people one heck of a belt.

I am left wondering just how they're going to describe the refill liquid strength - it doesn't seem to have changed in the shop dropdowns.

Intellicig as a company aren't awfully popular around the forums for a number of reasons. First off they sell a cig-a-like and (as usual) tend to overstate the cigarette-equivalences for their cartridges in the opinion of most vapers, currently claiming 6 per (tiny) cartridge.

They've generally come over as being very prim, proper & correct and for a long time wouldn't supply any liquid at all, only prefilled cartridges, implying this was due to 'safety concerns'. They later introduced their UK-made ECOpure VG-based liquid, which in fairness is a very good (if pricey) product and as far as I can recollect the highest strength it was sold in at that time was 18mg/ml, once again citing 'safety' as the reason for this. They definitely tried to suggest by implication that other sellers offering higher strengths were being horribly irresponsible by doing so.

You may have heard about the furore some time back (2010) when the MHRA popped up and it looked for some months as if they might succeed in shoving through a complete ban on the sale of e-cigs in the UK on the grounds that they were unlicensed NRT/medical products/drug delivery devices for quitting smoking. To keep a long story short, this was what caused a group of vendors to band together and form ECITA as a trade association to represent the e-cig industry to fight this move, along with thousands of vapers signing petitions and insisting on being included in their 'consultation process' which ultimately led to the MHRA being forced to back down and also getting a very humiliating public slap from a quango called the Regulatory Policy Committee.

Intellicig refused to join this group of vendors, preferring to represent themselves and it became apparent that they were intending to go along with the MHRA's stance and go through the entire pharmaceutical drug-testing procedure to get their products licensed as NRT medical products - enormously costly and well beyond the reach of the vast majority of vendors both then and now. We're talking hundreds of thousands of £s here.

This was what led to the way you will notice all the responsible vendors highlighting the fact that e-cigs are NOT medical devices and avoiding making unproven health claims or describing them as quit-smoking aids or NRT. It also led to many vapers feeling that Intellicig's plan to take the course they have chosen was a pretty cynical tactic. If the MHRA had succeeded they would have rather helpfully wiped out virtually all their competition for them.

This means that Intellicig have been doing all sorts of costly research and analyses (essentially drug trials) to support their licensing application and naturally enough, keeping the results to themselves. This will have included blood-testing people after they have used an Intellicig to prove that e-cigs do indeed deliver nicotine into the bloodstream. Despite the fact this is something any vaper can tell them it is necessary to PROVE it and quantify it exactly to satisfy the requirements of the MHRA by doing this sort of thing.

Getting back to where we started, this is why I think that this change of nicotine strengths in the Intellicig cartridges is VERY interesting indeed. They mention 'Recent published research' but don't actually provide a reference - it MAY be in a publicly accessible publication, or then again it may not. It might even be from their own research - or maybe not. I'd love to see it, either way - if anyone else knows what/where it is, please provide a link!

There's been some lousy research done in the past, one study even 'proved' that e-cigs did NOT get any nicotine into the test subjects' blood. Bear in mind, the subjects had never even seen an e-cig before, didn't know how to use it (nor did the researchers) and it WAS an old supermini type.

Most vapers of a couple of years or more experience might well agree that we maybe DO vape more than we smoked. Why? I reckon it's because it seems likely that we absorb nicotine from vapour slightly differently and possibly more slowly than burning tobacco and inhaling the smoke. We also know from our own experience that vaping doesn't seem to impair our breathing and health in the same way either, cost anything like as much and once we've settled on equipment which suits us, just plain ENJOY it more than smoking. And we probably aren't using a supermini or an Intellicig, either!

Hiking the nicotine content of their cartridges for novice users who haven't yet gone through the learning curve of working out what suits them individually in terms of both kit and liquid makes me suspect Intellicig are simply trying to ensure that their new customers will get enough nicotine to keep them off cigarettes from the first few puffs, no matter how inexpert. That's all. Selling catridges with 45mg/ml liquid in them - that's fairly hypocritical to say the least, given their history.

Can't say I'm overly impressed by them deciding to introduce a new 'mg-per-cartridge' description, though - particularly if they're going to continue using mg/ml for liquids. It doesn't strike me as helpful to either novices or experienced customers.

But interesting - oh my, yes!

I'd been pithering over whether to add my tuppence worth here and now I'm glad that I have because Rok and Perpetua's posts have actually clarified my own thoughts about this - I agree with BOTH of them.

I would never, ever encourage anyone to start smoking and equally feel that anything which helps anyone who already does to break free from it by whatever method they prefer is by definition a 'good thing'.

But I am also heartily sick of being legislated to death by spineless politicians who increasingly seem to be little more than the public lackeys of greedy immoral corporations and the moneyed classes. The vast majority of their recent social engineering efforts seem to have the objective of brainwashing the majority of the population into functioning as low-cost self-maintaining fodder for exploitation in order to pointlessly increase the obscene and utterly unnecessary wealth of a selfish and unbalanced minority.

Their preferred method of shifting the goalposts on pretty much anything people used to feel they could rely on is succeeding only in increasing the misery and poverty of the most vulnerable members of our society and creating more and more underclasses to be looked down upon and discriminated against, while simultaneously irritating the hell out of everyone else!!

(Rant over, been feeling a bit cynical recently - glad I got that off my chest, anyway)

Love and peace, all!

Haha - snap, Bel! Looks as if you type faster than me...

Perfect - you've done exactly the right thing there. Just been checking a few sites via Google to make sure I wasn't inadvertently giving you any bad advice!!

Confirmed there can be variable intervals between delivery and up to an hour is not out of the norm. If there are four now she's entitled to be feeling a bit tired, I reckon. Pleased that it sounds very much as if she's perfectly happy with you being there to help out which is a great compliment.

I've probably done more pacing up and down than you have 'cos I can't actually SEE anything!! Thankyou so much for allowing us to "share" in this lovely thing.