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Now this is the debate I was looking for TBH.
I personally see it from both sides.
I understand as a customer I must take a certain risk assessment and I do when charging batts etc.
However where did I get that information from?
As a new person to vaping or anything I buy I scan the net.
I found all I needed from forums and not suppliers.
Now again not knocking any supplier because I still need my juice attys etc to feed my nicotine habit.

I guess what I am trying to point out is that to some extent this industry is a little floored if we come under the microscope.
Yes the nicotine will be the main focus but any other floor will be exposed.

It will only take one bod form the claim culture to get the wrong product add the wrong batts and squirt juice in his eye.
Put a claim in on the supplier of any of the above and bad press is all over the place.
As these things grow there will be one!

So rather than making this a vendor problem, how do we move this forward so everyone is protected.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned how Tesco are managing the risk. surely with the resources thay must have taken this into account?
I know they are multi national but they must have thought of it.

I want to protect my supply source in the UK and preparation is better than denial.
I would be interested in some ECITA feed back on this subject.
Have they approached Tesco for membership?

It's not all about insurance and claims.

The 1st question I post and I have an alternative motive ???
The question came about due to all the recent threads of failing kit and the potential of injury to folks.

I think the question was reasonable enough.
And sorry if it touched a nerve for some that was not the intention.

Oh and dont do what I did, lol
I managed to cross the probes when testing and knackered the spring on my copper trying to see the voltage.

I do understand that Hissie.
The problem the UK vape industry faces is safety.
We are under the microscope not cig sellers.

Yes they are proven to cause cancer etc.
But what is the potential for one to blow up in your face.
There are not so many variants of the cig.
Tobacco a filter and some paper. Or a mod version, roll your own.
Of stick it in a wood bowl and light it.

I know this has the potential to go down hill fast but we do need to distance from the cig market and risks they are totally different.
One has the potential of being banned.

Also let's not forget that makers of lighters to light tobacco have been sued for defective products blowing up.

I'm not talking a degree in mod construction mate.
But what standard need to be applied and who vets them.
In other words who can help folks like you be compliant.
If there is a compliance.
Or are we just to assume we all take the risk ourself.
If this is the case no one is broadcasting the fact.

OK out of interest I have looked into this today.
With all the threads about products failing and the potential of possible personal injury.

I work in a industry where health and safety are paramount.
And getting approval to work is a right bugger.
So I posed the question to a few colleagues about expectations from a supplier and also to our health and safety director who is interested in ecigs.

The findings were quite interesting.
The manufacturer should have product liability insurance.
The vendor should also carry public liability insurance.
So if a mod blew your hand off(for example) you would claim from the vendor who in turn would claim from the manufacturer.

Now with most of these products coming from China I highly doubt that they have this insurance in place.
So it would fall directly in the lap of the vendor who you would have hoped have taken the correct insurance as part of the vendor set up process.
Who would have the battle to retrospectively claim from the manufacturer if they are uninsured.

So knocking a mod that is not up to scratch is all well and good.
But we need to think what if?
Would my vendor be covered if I lost a hand due to a blowing battery and could not work again.
Now I'm thinking vendor protection not knocking the UK vendors in any way.

The same could be said for an atty burning your lip off.
Or a carto breaking in your pocket with a few ml of juice soaking in your leg and making you ill.
Which did happen to me, but I'm not looking to sue anyone, lol

With all the things floating about ATM about not quitting etc.
Surely the focus should be about making the industry safe.
I know ECITA are around but how do they manage new suppliers?
They have no jurisdiction other than it's membership. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.

The same could be said for one off mods we buy.
Again thinking protection and not knocking the modders out there.
But in my head (I suppose due to my job it's drummed in, lol)
If you make mods and do not have the protection and something goes wrong you could loose alot.

I know we all buy on impulse and the next great thing is good to have.

But who protects me and how do I know I'm protected.
Do we need some sort of vendor award category?

I recently got the 109 2nd hand and the button can dig a little.
It's a great mod but a little uncomfortable for me.
Must be used to the switch on the copper.

You raised one interesting point.
Liability insurance.
Although some folks sell for fun including mods for sale.
But what is the restriction in the industry with liability insurance.
Not knocking camperman but what if some serious damage was caused he would be liable and by the look of it the supplier would bail out if a claim was made.
And if someone wanted to they would sue you 1st regardless of the originating supplier.
A forum mate could fully expect some compensation if damage was caused even if the sale was to help with cheap kit.
Don't get me wrong here I know insurance costs and if you broadcast you have it some would try and take the P.
But how as customers do we know who has it?
Or do we just take it for granted every vendor will?