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Fact is I think I know what's going on here, I don't use the heating system in the home much, and the tanks being glass and metal, take a chill overnight, and when I vape them, they go from cold to warming up, but along the way the vapour condenses and forms a load of condensation in the upper part of the tube, and it's that which gurgles.

So, this is the summer and I can already imagine how this will be in winter, so, poor old kanger or not, I'm looking elsewhere having tried 3 of their products so far and had the issue with them all. Other makers examples of this new technology have impressed me rather more in that respect over the same period. I know nothing is perfect, but I can keep looking to find something that suits me better.

On it's day, with a clean out, a brand new atty head, and no condensate, there is little I like better than my 2 protanks, and the evod can be nice for a bit too. However I do find they gurgle before very long, and that's when I am encouraged to reach for something else.

I even cracked a smile at the Protank 1.5 they sent me a while back! I reckon they will possibly be scarce items, was funny though! For those who've not seen one it's a protank 1 with a protank 2 base block insert! It is an odd looking item! 

If we can get more on board, then their revenues start to fall further and faster. If those start to lower their nic consumption then they hit diminishing return prospect.

If when they do allow the law to run live in this country (NOT a foregone conclusion either, see Sir Frederick Jacobs' Opinion elsewhere), at that point we ALL request for NRT patches or whatever for free for 12 weeks, as we can do, to stop us going back to cigs - then, THEN we would see them in a really bad case of U-Turn as they work out the pricing on all that.

What we need to do right now is make our intentions of doing all this crystal clear and publicly right now, then they got longer to worry about it! LOL

I reckon they would have to make some obvious moves that would expose their true motives at that point (like stopping free NRT at least, it's that or pay up of course, and they won't want to do that), and It's my guess we got them fully and demonstrably exposed at that point!

We just need critical mass for this to have a chance. If each one of us got one other on board we'd be self doubling in numbers, it's astonishing how that lark racks up and how quickly.

If anyone sees any real gotchas, then let's hear them, we could do a lot worse than debug such a scheme, for example we could do nothing at all. That's not my idea of showing you intend to keep a hold of something of value to you!

OK, so we have 24 months as I see it.

It feels possible to me that in 24 months we could drop one mg per month on average, and be able to be nic free before it hits.

Many of us need more months than that? We could stock pile a little to see us through that I would guess.

However this is not to say that we need to stop vaping. I can't see me not vaping something for the flavour alone now. If it's still on sale then I'll be buying pg, vg and flavours.

What it could mean is that we would not need nic, and we might not need nic replacement either, this leaves big tobacco and big pharma stuffed, and I don't think they would like the Govt to let that happen.

I do take it that you can see how they would have a major problem with stopping it all at that point. All we need to do is commit to trying to do that. We'd be committing to becoming no longer being addicted to something they can control.

I think they might be worried enough to take another line at this point. A 12 Billion gap ahead IS a fairly large reason for them to want to no longer do it like they seem to intend.

We would need to get as many on board as it takes for them to become worried enough to act.

Does this not make some sense? ???

ok, I'm all ears, what have I missed then? ???

At the very least it could mean their debates would have to take much longer if the beast they fear suddenly had two heads and both need working on separately. It could spin out a few years longer given the way they go about things too!

I'd admit to favouring the year then month then day so today would be 2013-08-14 and I seem to recall that is called iso 8601 or some such. Fact is that I like it because when used on a computer that way (for folders and or files etc) it auto sorts them into the equivalent of time going forward as you go down the list. So I use it that way for pretty much everything now. Of course you can then add time onto the end of the date (24 hour format) and it stays in chronological order, as it should.