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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 30, 2013 19:16:49 GMT
That's an interesting link about shape etc. Also good link for samples, I had so far only seen samples come in 5ml too. I felt a bit lost in there but once I find my feet a bit more I shall go have another look I am pretty sure! Thank you!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 30, 2013 18:44:49 GMT
I agree with Perps on this one. I have a couple of Bauway 306's and they are excellent for drip testing flavours. 3 drips should give you about 4-5 decent draws, which is more than enough to tell the flavour. Thanks for the thought, I can't see how I would manage a "how does it vape all day" trial doing it that way, I'd be doing almost nothing else but filling the thing. That's really not going to be practical for me and my dodgey fingers in my view. As I said earlier I'm not just trying to "tell the flavour"; I'm wanting to look in greater detail at each and every sample. I am interested in the dripping and dropping thing one, day just to see how that works out too.
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 22:31:18 GMT
OK, well it seems we probably had some angry dolphins (or cross porpoises)! (sorry, terrible joke I know!) I am more looking to road test samples, not a quick tasting as you might do with a wine perhaps. When I said trials I really meant over a few days or even weeks perhaps. Finding out how these things behave over a time, like it might be in normal use. I want to discover the rather more considered details. What's it like to vape it for a day? What's it like when it's a few days older maybe?
Does it keep well if left on the shelf for a while?
I've seen loads of reviews often by folk who are much younger than I am, I've got no problem at all with that, quite the reverse in fact, but it's all over and done with at a pace I no longer live at. I am an older chap and I don't generally do this "wham bam ty mam" stuff anymore, I'd much prefer to take my time to get to know something better, and in more detail, to really understand what it may be able to offer over a little longer timescale. I think there could be room for that sort of info as well as the instant gratification hit that most reviews offer at present. I would also like to give each sample a chance to give the best account of itself that it possibly can. I can't see how the flavouring part of this market can hope to properly mature unless it has someone go down that route and encourage it. I say this as it seems to me that I found my favoured brands of tobacco to smoke over time, not in a blinding flash, and even my own preferences evolved over time too. I suppose I'm looking for the longer term growth of vaping and how that could look as it unfolds. Having said this, I am glad to have learned about dripping or direct dropping and the other ways to go there, and I am sure I will find that handy as I try all of this wonderful new experience which is vaping! Thanks for the help - good stuff to know about I suspect!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 20:53:05 GMT
I thought you just wanted to have a quick try of new flavours without committing them to a carto/clearomiser? For a quick taste to see if you will like a juice direct dripping on an atomiser is the way to go! Atomisers like cartos and clearos are disposable items, may last a week or a month You could buy a rebuildable atomiser and re wick it yourself for pennies Yes, I had it in mind to hope the carto stayed working for as long as the sample was of interest, and because of the lower cost per item (5 pack) I could just revisit the sample over a day or three or even more if I wanted, to see how it changed over time etc. (steeping?) I was also happy that I would not have to get the flavour to go away as it would be one carto per sample flavour. And disposable after the the life of the carto had expired. I'm not ina big hurry with tests, so the dropping is not a great need as I was seeing it right this minute, but I will go see the videos you kindly linked to and that could change I must suppose! I will "get it" if at all possible. I am trying to get my head around it all!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 20:45:12 GMT
Ah and a somewhat less confused me is starting to happen!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 20:42:11 GMT
OK, thanks, I sort of get it, but how long does 3 drips normally last anyone? I've never been there so far. Also they are significantly more expensive each, and according to the info on the link they sound like they might/could be short lived too. I'm not sure I see how this makes it a better idea, and can't see where I went wrong? What is it I am missing here? I bet it's some obvious basic point I've not truly understood? I can be dense at time when things are so new. Well, I must suppose that bit is probably obvious by now! (doh!)
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 20:22:10 GMT
Hello All, I have this plan, and would deeply appreciate the thoughts of more experienced users about it's chances of working out as I wished. For evaluating new flavours of sample e-liquids I have come to understand that a fresh atomiser set up is somewhat desirable and sensible if it can be made available. I also see that some e-liquid flavours can crack poly tanks, particularly (but not only) fruity or tangy types. It was for this reason that I liked the idea of the protank and it's pyrex glass tank. Since ordering that (I presently had no way to properly cover that tank busting situation in that way) and a modestly priced VV device to use with it (eGo Twist) I've formed the idea that, despite not yet seeing anyone explicitly say so, some cartomisers could be a good move for sampling as they are relatively quite affordable and would not be attacked by the more ferocious liquids one might encounter. I spotted and researched these ( link) and some say that they found them particularly noteworthy for offering consistent performance where flavour is concerned. That struck me as both useful and encouraging given I am trying to get a good idea of what any given sample is truly like in it's nature. My plan at present is to invest in a few of these cartomisers, and to add drip tips as the distributors in the USA (Smok) say on their web site that they can be a bit hotter than many are used to and due to that and the metal case I intend to fit them with ceramic drip tips (VE advise drip tips anyway but I opted for ceramic as best option after thinking it all over for a bit) as they would be more likely to remain more neutral than most other materials where a more varied temperature range is foreseeable. I intend to use the standard resistance version, for a standard performance. Against that I can then assess what effects tweaking hardware may have, but later when I know what I am doing with all that. Some say tank/cart systems can often mute flavours, so I'm not keen to use them for this aspect of vaping as that would be unhelpful. I'm finding them more or less adequate for every day use so far though. Only a couple of very minor niggles to date. This seems the most affordable way I can see to go to get a good test result every time. It seems to me I can bust a new one out for a new sample and get a fairly consistent trial going and not break the bank doing it either! My current set up is an eGo-T starter pack (but with 2 batteries and chargers, with 2 mains packs too) I think it is all going to be compatible as far as I can see. So, knowing that you lot know your stuff and are so helpful I can only ask, does this sound like a proper plan? Or have I still managed to miss something due to extreme inexperience? I want to learn about these samples which I will invest in and to keep my trials consistent, pretty neutral/repeatable, and hence more useful to me. I hope I have given enough info here, but if not then ask away for missing facts!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 29, 2013 12:58:45 GMT
I've not been here long enough to have searched to see if anyone has mentioned this, and I also reckon it can't be told of too often, so here goes; Responding to the OP's original advice I'd like to pay forward with a tip I figured out for myself so far. If like me you went a bit nuts and got an e-liquid in your first ever pack and it's simply way too strong and your vaping technique is too young to to have developed yet, then it is possible, on the CE4 Clearomisers (well on the copies I was sold) to insert a Swan "extra slim" filter into the base of the drip tip bit! This can hold things down a bit for you while you get something more sensible in place! You need to squidge it a little in the sides to make it more pliable across it's width, but I found it will just ease into the hole in the base of that mouth piece. It's not that great and may not be a great idea anyway, however it's cheap and widely available, and in my view an awful lot more useful than having any hint of a reason to go back to stinky fags while the preferred solution is obtained! Hope it helps someone new to it all, it's working that way for me right now, even if it does need changing pretty often!!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 28, 2013 22:42:49 GMT
Just add 10ml of VG to both bottle's of juice making 30ml of 16mg and flavour may be ok, may be a bit weak but vapable. Ah, now that sounds simple enough that even I could get it right first go, and not an unacceptable compromise on the flavour either as my taste seems to be already returning and I used to have rollies double filtered in any case - was a very smooth smoke that one as it happens! I'm not expecting to get it replicated spot on of course but I think I'm finding out that I was more about the feel of smoking and not needing as much nic as I guessed at, I also like a throat hit but not a real huge one. Or at least that is as good as I have been able to work it out so far. This is quite an art figuring out what it was about smoking you really did like and hanging on to that bit if possible, so as to ensure a full success at not smoking tobacco! There's been some other great suggestions from you all and I thank you all for them. What a great bunch of folk you are! I'm going to wait on the other flavours with lower nic to arrive, try that, and then ponder what I may do next!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 28, 2013 22:23:28 GMT
So there I was, posting my first daft question down there in the mixology section and here you all were giving me a totally warm welcome! What a lovely surprise this all is! As for starting in at the deep end, I don't know, I'm only on page six, or so it says here, it's all a bit of a worry really!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 28, 2013 22:10:21 GMT
Gosh, and first off, thanks all for prompt observations and help! I'm today using an ego-t, and also got a clearomizer ce4 replacement (a fake one most likely having found and watched a youtube video dealing with spotting those - doh!) so I now know what those are like, and this prompted me to go and order an ego twist, so I can dial down to lower volts and maybe lower the throat hit a bit that way. I also went for a protank so that I have one atty which could handle possibly corrosive fruity flavours as I try them. If I like it well enough I will maybe do another of those set ups to let me have two of them and use the others as fall back devices, and maybe ready to go cigs with other flavours perhaps. I presently have way too much flavour and too much throat hit - however I also ordered 4 non tobacco samplers and they are 18 mg, so when they arrive I will try them before considering ordering anything for diluting the two outstanding bottles of Rolling Holborn. That stuff is like being hit in the throat with a hot alloy baseball bat - it's so much too much flavour that my tongue feels like I have smoked about 60-80 cigs in one day. and it's been a long time since I was ever that foolish! Not nice to go back there as I now feel a bit foolish too! This is a very interesting pass time as much as it is a solution to not smoking tobacco!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 28, 2013 21:33:27 GMT
Hi all, I just got started on Tuesday this week, now it's Friday I got some thoughts on how I'd like to try and tweak my first purchase of e-liquid. I was smoking Old Holborn, 19 a day and used a rolling machine and added 2 filters to each, so 50g would last me about a week. I chose something called Rolling Holborn, and followed a lot of advice which said to go a little higher than you think you need then adjust downward in subsequent purchases. That seemed understandable and made sense, so I selected 24mg. However I had not factored in my having had two filters in each rolly and of course I now have more throat hit than I can easily handle. Makes me cough more than smoking did when I forget what I am doing, get a little cavalier and take a normal drag! (ouch!) I also over ordered by accident, 30ml looked like a good deal and I had imagined it was one bottle, but it was 3 10 ml bottles that arrived. The mix claims 50/40 on the label (extra 10% seems to be accounted for in deionised water, nic and flavouring) So given I got too much throat hit and would like to save the other two bottles from becoming wasted, then I was mulling over getting a 30 ml bottle, throwing one 10 ml bottle of the juice in there and topping it off with 20 ml of empty VG (for more vapour and far less throat hit) to get what I guess would by then be 8-12 mg or so? Is that even a good idea? Or did I work it out right? Or, more likely I guess, am I totally not going about this the right way? Any pointers or second opinions would be most welcome about now!
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Post by Ancient Hermit on Jun 28, 2013 21:01:56 GMT
I started reading up on e-cigs about this time last Friday. On Sunday placed an order for a starter pack; Tuesday mid morning it arrived, a little later the led on the charger went green instead of teasing me with red. Have not smoked a roll up since. Not rolled one either. Been smoking for about 45 years, first time I have been this long without smoking tobacco. Ordered an ego twist 650 and protank yesterday, it shipped today, looking forward to learning more in next few days. OK, it has not ALL gone smoothly, but I am learning to fix up the mistakes I made. I don't think I would be happy smoking tobacco ever again though, do not feel I could bring myself to do it now in fact. Sorry, but over the next few days I may make a bit of a pest of myself with some questions aimed at fixing up the bits I'm not entirely thrilled about. Mostly I can't recall ever being this happy with the last 45 years though! Lurked here on and off for a day or so, decided it looks a bit like home, so signed up! It's been a heck of a week this one!
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