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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 21:17:34 GMT
Hi Toby aka ruffdog - that's a gnarly cross to bear. You've been vaping just over a month I'd add the call for looking closely at flavourings and also to mention another little thing that may be in play. Nickel. Most common or garden clearos / tanks with replaceable heads have nickle-chromium wire used as coils. When you dry burn Ni-Chrome coils (or Kanthal coils) you generate a pretty large cloud of nanoparticles as the wire expands (Nickel and Chromium are both things you do not want to inhale so when you dry burn hold it at arms length). Saying that, I've no idea of the generation of nano-particles at lower temperatures - the assumption is that it's very slight (I pray) and, to be honest, much less than in burning tobacco (look at the list of metals at play there). Nickel allergy is symptomatically similar to how you describe what's happening to you and it may be worth while learning to make your own coils with Kanthal-A1 (a much higher melting point resistance wire made of iron, aluminium and chromium) Not sure that it's going to be a PG allergy (I'd have thought it would have come into play much faster). And, as you will no doubt painfully know, it's a bugger to track down an allergy - it could be some subtle environmental change... I hope you find the cause / causes soon.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 18:04:29 GMT
Tomj777. I ask you this:- Do you feel that this, if you were in Mrsmac's position, is a satisfactory response to the problem and how much more time do they want ?. Nope - and I don't think in my last but one post in this thread that I implied that it was a satisfactory response (you might have missed that other post). The response you quoted wasn't the only one ("nice enough", Mrsmac said, although I don't know details). Ash's or his teams response was a verbatim copy and paste (probably with some preface) but no commentary and (see the second supplier bullet point), which was a big mistake in my book. So... at best one business day (not counting weekends, which is likely to be skeletal staff) has passed at the time of me writing - is that enough time? Depends on what Mrs Mac feels and nothing else, not you, not me, not myepack (for a customers perception is all that truly matters at the end of the day, regardless of anything whatsoever). However, in my book, I think it's better to give sufficient time for the vendor to respond before we pass our collective judgement (that is not my personal judgement, nor I guess yours - for we are entitled as individuals). I tried to explain why I thought, based on what little I know of their business (the only conversations I have ever had with Ash were a product question prior to purchasing and then a few months later enquiring about shipping something to Australia direct from them), that they would require more time to reply. Look - it's really easy for threads like this to escalate in the heat of the moment and to cause excessive damage to a vendors reputation... Based on a "nice enough" phone call and an ill considered (rushed?) copy/paste I really do not believe there is enough evidence. See what it looks like in the cold light of day. "how much more time do they want" ? No idea (but then I wouldn't).
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 17:10:57 GMT
Absolutely right - no guilt Mrsmac I understand how you might want to duck though. I kind of thought you naming the vendor was an accident or mistake. Matters not though. I honestly believe your intent is not to create a fire storm of condemnation. Soul is intact. But folks - you have to give myepack the chance to respond.... To continue as their apologist, I reckon MrsM will have reached out late Friday - that leaves Saturday and Sunday + today. Saturday staff for any small mail order business is likely to be reduced and Monday will always be catching up on weekend orders... Let's guess that Myepack have three perhaps four members of staff... Well, it's the Solstice weekend, weather is wonderful, people get ill, bad stuff happens in peoples lives, as does good... It's quite possible that they are short today and one person out can make a huge difference... From past experience, I know that Ash works into the evening any email responses I've had have always been in the evenings... Please - allow a little more time....
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 16:56:00 GMT
I had to laugh.... this has been my journey over the last 3 months almost to the letter!!!!! Still awaiting delivery of my first Nemi, so I'm not as far down the path as you! I reckon you should pm me any time you feel the need to free up some space in the mod drawer (especially if you ever feel like parting with that sexy Fortune mod!!) Cheers, Leo. Well, I started this game at the end of August last year - and if you started vaping three months ago, your running ahead of me on the battery > mod > mech mod path by about two months (it was early Feb when I got my first mod, a second hand clone Chi You) If you truly want to laugh I should really document with precision the Cart > Clearo > Tank > RDA/RBA path as well - a fair chance similar has or will pass through your hand / on to your desk... Mind you, I've been good in one aspect. I have a Swedish Glaze tub (icecream sans traces of milk stocked for my daughters Uni friend) crammed with concentrates which represents my first couple of months mixing... Why is that good? because I had the fortune to meet lairey at her house - she has a collection of concentrates too numerous to count (and a really sensible way of storing them). I suspect my goodness won't last that long though Enjoy the Nemesis - wonderful device (I sort of regret buying a copper one because the 510 threads are quite soft and I placed a naughty Squape on it, but the patina is delightful) and am sorely tempted to buy a brass or stainless steel one as well. I'd also recommend a Stingray (I am so impressed with the phantom brass one I bought from FyneMods - not sure who made it but wow) or an Infinity Copper One (not aware of any `ship from china` sources but Greyhaze and (ugh - can't recall who) stock them in the UK. Can't see the Fortune mod ever leaving the clutch though. Sorry.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 16:21:17 GMT
Ah - my first purchase from FyneModsUseful for telling how much charge remains in the battery and also the voltage drop on the Mech (which in turn indicates how clean the threads are, including the 510 connector on the atty and the 510 connector on the meter). Not sure how it would tell me the health of the battery (internal resistance increases as the battery ages and the ?electrolyte? is ?oxidised? ) or to put it another way, how far through the advertised charge cycles / personally acceptable charge cycles the battery is. I could be being a bit slow though - Tom has good days and Tom has...
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 23, 2014 16:15:04 GMT
Just wanted to put my tuppence-worth into the mix. I've purchased a number of things from Ash/ myepack and have consistently been impressed by the level of service (although nothing has ever gone wrong). Anecdotally, I can think of one poor experience (which was resolved) mentioned on UKV and a couple of good experiences where the poster had problems. Thus I was very surprised to see this thread. I also reckon that the correct practical first step is for the vendor (any vendor) to contact the supplier when any kind of safety problem is flagged. I think, if I was Ash or his team, I would have added my own commentary to the suppliers response rather than copying verbatim. I'd have skipped point 2, which is where the supplier is irrelevantly justifying the use of copper because they had a customer ask them to "OEM" (typically stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer) to source an all copper version (I assume they meant source a manufacturer of an all copper version / request a manufacturer to make an all copper version). However, I was pleased to see that Myepack weren't aggressive (like one rather famous big UK vendor) nor outright palming you off - "nice enough" is a good starting point, as long as it is the start. What may have happened (which does) is that between ordering the first batch and what should have been the second batch, the B2B intermediary or the supplier may have switched product... Meaning that any testing on the first batch would be irrelevant. Packaging may not have changed. Why am I posting? Really I guess to beg that people don't leap to a conclusion that Myepack is a poor vendor. As Mrsmac said, it was, after all, the weekend. As striker42 said, the test is how a problem is dealt with. So... I beg folks to see how this rides out (it's in everybody's interest) before making a judgement. Ultimately DSR means that the product can be returned unused for no good reason Mrsmac , I think all will ultimately be well.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 22:06:29 GMT
Ok thanks, that wouldn't be any good for me then. The battery / mod path is pretty well established Ego type battery - why would I want to change voltage???? <time passes> <hmmm more power / increase flavour> Ego VV type battery - why would I want a mod???? <time passes> <hmmm more power / increase flavour / don't have to discard the Ego VV battery as it's ability to degrade charge decreases> Vamo / ZMax / SVD / VTR + charger + batteries + (ideally and a safe charging bag) <time passes> <feels secure with ZMax in 18650 mode whilst walking down a dark alley> <time passes> <time passes> Why on earth would I want a mechanical mod with no control circuitry or protection and power decreasing as I use it??? <time passes> (by which time you've bought a Kayfun or similar and are competent at building coils) <time passes> Bugger - that's the second time I've trashed one / something has gone wrong Nemesis in 18650 mode - wow - that's as short than my Vamo in 18350 mode (I'm guessing) and the battery lasts all day. <time passes> Bit big though... Nemesis in 18350 mode and batteries in case in pocket / in car / on bike... Dalliance with 18500 batteries (1100mah) <time passes> Ego type batteries given away, VV/VW devices given away or sold... <time passes> <time passes> You now have two Stingrays, a ChiYou, a Nemesis and a neat hybrid thingie that's all shiny and new One mech submersed in water (survived by quickly retrieving and unscrewing as it got hot), two dropped onto concrete - survived with minor scuffs and a crooked button. So... that was my path (including commentary). Which is to say Hi there Personally I would recommend going for a nemesis clone and a kayfun lite v2. Whatever you choose, though - enjoy the hobby, the money and enjoy the relative health. Oh - be wary of Shinyitis - you've hit 30 posts, richie63 and you're exhibiting symptomatic thinking.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 15:56:06 GMT
CaptainChaos, if you're hopeless at being hopeless at Everything then take heart, for that means you're only hopeless at Somethings. lairey - thanks given regardless. You have my utterly subjective taste buds on call.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 13:46:06 GMT
And so we talk about acts of kindness coming around... Big thanks to lairey.
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 13:44:44 GMT
I`m sure there is a way of measuring the internal resistance of a battery, but you would need a very accurate test bed to do it I think. You can usually find it if you Google it. In the case of the LG battery I quoted, it`s a very small amount of resistance, putting a meter across it would not work because of the 4.2 volts there. It could be done with calculation and a good test bed I think tomj777I understand. Ah well -I shall learn to mark my batteries and work on subjective measures (how long before voltage drops to an untenable level)
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 10:02:42 GMT
Thank you (but note that it's a very old chart)
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 9:58:04 GMT
Curiosity piqued, I wondered about comparative resistance and found this chart ( from 2012) I found this comment on internal resistance and why it drops over time - it might be useful to someone (source www.happyvaper.com/Articles.asp?ID=240) So the implication is that by measuring the internal resistance of a battery one can tell how viable it is (or should it be recycled) without using a subjective measure. And I guess that leads to three questions - How a layman measures internal resistance with a multimeter
- If there is a table out there giving internal resistances when new of batteries (or should one measure and record when new) ?
- How does one tell what an acceptable change in internal resistance is ?
I know this is a bit of a digression - any thoughts? Knowledge?
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 8:46:28 GMT
lairey Yes Please. Have to be closer to an hour. PM me where you'd like to meet and I'll be over (a couple of chores to achieve first).
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 8:16:50 GMT
Thank you, leo If you wanted one and can afford but didn't put your name on the list, I'd advise you to join the Fortune Mods group on Facebook www.facebook.com/groups/410695959074634/Inevitably there will be some who elected to be added to the reserve list that couldn't manage to purchase / Google through the invoice into Spam or summat. I don't know what Tim plans to do with those, nor do I know how many don't convert the reservation but I reckon you'll find that info on the group. It's worth sending a message as well www.facebook.com/fortunemodsAlternatively you will see the odd one on forum classifieds
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Post by tomj777 on Jun 22, 2014 0:07:51 GMT
I've been on the list for my first genuine mech, a Fortune mod. Time to pay email came in this morning... Paid immediately (credit card is beyond salvation). Noticed address location (five or six miles away). Offered to collect. Expectation of delivery about a week and a half. Two or the hours later a knock on the door and I'm the proud owner... One very short wait. And one very happy Tom in need of 18650 flat tops 'cause I thought I'd have time... With button tops and the thinnest magnet I have a button throw of a fraction of a millimeter. I'll post pictures when Torchy's package arrives. No act of kindness, however small, is ever wasted
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