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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 12:57:27 GMT
Of course the negative contact will be steel. But it'll be steel in fakes too. The irrelevance is due to the fact that the fakers are aware of these tests, and so won't make the slide or the positive contact from steel. This is information from nearly 4 years ago. Bear in mind the number of different factories turning these fakes out. Every one will be different choice of construction and components. How will Nitecore be able to formulate a way of detecting every different construction with 100% accuracy. Also bear in mind 1:1 clones. There's a big difference between today's fakes and those of just a few years ago. ETA: The only way to beat fakes at the moment is to buy from authorized sellers. I/We buy Nitecore from AJC Trading at nitecore.co.uk |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 12:14:15 GMT
Until Nitecore have one of each of the fakes they have no way of knowing what materials were used. This renders the magnet test irrelevant, for now.
It's always going to be a battle in favour of the fakers. As soon as one is discovered the maker will find another way around the detection. The price of having a large name, and a larger reputation - the name sells.
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 12:01:56 GMT
I agree robby, and that's a shame. My initial thoughts was for Nitecore to serialise their future products. But then, as Aspire and Innokin have found out serials get cloned too. Even electronic serials get cloned easily enough. How many vamos have the same serial number? As per company policy, I can only buy from authorized outlets, to be sure everything I buy for any job is exactly what is wanted/specced. |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:56:00 GMT
Well, at least you know if your`s is misspelt it IS a fake. If the board doesn`t have Nitecore capacitors in it it`s probably a fake as well. I doubt whether anyone would go to the bother of cloning capacitors with it being inside the charger. It's only shrink wrap robby, and really cheap to make. If you don't have a genuine to compare with a fake wrapper could easily pass as genuine. We need Nitecore to publish some clear HD photos of the real thing for us to compare against. |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:50:24 GMT
Kanthal is actually a brand name, so you could well be buying Nichrome made by Kanthal. Nichrome is Nichrome - no matter who makes it. Kanthal A1 is Kanthal A1: kanthal.com/en/products/materials-in-wire-and-strip-form/wire/resistance-heating-wire-and-resistance-wire/I think we just got used to calling it 'Kanthal' after the original manufacturer. But then anyone can call anything kanthal and peeps will buy it. Muji, KGD and 'organic' cotton balls are all organic. We just prefer to use 'untreated' or 'unbleached' cotton for obvious reasons, cough cough!! |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:41:02 GMT
That ID check is for the i4 charger. In the case of this D4 the board check is totally irrelevant, as the boards are not the same. And after they were caught with the magnet test on the old i4 I don't think any faker would be using steel. Though the spelling mistake is proof of a fake, but it's absence is not proof of being genuine if I read it right. That's exactly how I see it. How many fakers got the spelling right? |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:39:12 GMT
Nitecore don't have a fake D4 at hand to know yet if the fakers are using steel. Kinda makes the magnet test irrelevant for now. 2nd check is totally out of the window, the i4 and D4 use totally different boards. I need a camera  ETA: I've been corrected regarding the capacitors. I'll just say it's easy to fake shrink wrap. |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:33:18 GMT
That ID check is for the i4 charger. In the case of this D4 the board check is totally irrelevant, as the boards are not the same. And after they were caught with the magnet test on the old i4 I don't think any faker would be using steel.
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 11:21:37 GMT
Ripshod, did you ever purchase and test the awt 2500mah 35a 18650's ? I do have 2 of the 2500s in the general rotation striker42, to bed them in. Can't find the original thread but I'm sure it referenced these 2500s, not the 2600s. I could be wrong(?), I've not seen a release. Just using them they do seem to be very capable batteries tbh, and I didn't expect to be saying that  ETA: Retracting that statement. Just run a quick resistance test and one measured at 0.016 Ohms - doesn't show any promise for more than 22-25 Amps. The other measures 0.019 Ohms, so a consistency problem as well. Both are from the same place and have the same Lot number. I know that's no guarantee they'd have the same specs, but the difference is rather large in my eye. |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 9:41:43 GMT
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 28, 2015 9:16:01 GMT
My point was that battery bro do not state that they have this battery in stock. Battery Bro 'VTC5' listing and this would strongly suggest they have not supplied it since at least December Without actually placing an order, or signing up with Battery Bro a buyer wouldn't know. Honey trap? Without trawling their results I can say with surety that when tested the ICR18650HD2 proves itself unsuitable for vaping because of it's high IR (internal resistance). The voltage sag when used at 20Amps is borderline - as in any higher amps and a mod would refuse to fire with the 'weak battery', or 'power short' warning. The battery is indeed rated at 25Amps, but it takes more than a high rating to make a battery suitable. You're raising great points here dafellon, and we're into the stuff that normally doesn't get discussed here but does need to be considered. My personal bias against this battery is that it's an ICR. Even a 'protected' ICR battery can blow as any electronics can go wrong, even a protection circuit. |
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 27, 2015 22:29:20 GMT
dafellon, I'll take screenies from the database at work next time I'm in the workshop. I do find your remark regarding the VTC5, and me simply basing credibility on that fact that they are showing as 'in stock' interesting. Anyone showing VTC5s in stock, no matter who they are should be regarded with a massive spoonful of doubt. Anyone can become victim to fake batteries, as proved recently by one of our favourite vendors. ETA: In the meantime you can entertain yourself here: dampfakkus.de/A pretty large DBase, but check out the test results - shows the difference between specs and real-life.
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 27, 2015 18:29:19 GMT
 You guys got the Bug pretty quick  I wouldn't have lasted the year I have if it wasn't for the craziness advice round here!!
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Post by Ripshod on Apr 27, 2015 16:54:51 GMT
Don't worry fraser, I'm a confirmed vaper now. I've been vaping 7mg for a while now, soon to drop to 4. Wasn't just the chest though, shoulders and upper arms were affected too. Think two frozen shoulders. Doesn't help that I chain vape a dripper though If I could find my favourite concentrates in VG I'd be made |
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You guys got the Bug pretty quick