Some idle thoughts - the future of vaping?

[jayjay]

Sept 20, 2012 17:13:09 GMT Brian said:

If you try and buy from abroad without declaring it to customs and excise, they will confiscate it and likely fine you.

We all tried to smuggle extra cigs and baccy through airport customs, didnt we?

I got stopped in dover having purchased a years supply of golden virgina, and smoking 25 grams a day! (thats alot of tobacco).

Was asked the questions, as you'd expect. Informed them it was all for personal use etc. they took some details, and were as good as gold.
As they were letting me go, I enquired about how they intended to deal with my situation and they simply stated, "we've got your details, youve told us youve got a years supply of tobacco, thats absolutely fine. But if we see you again before 12 months, we will probably seize what tobacco you have"
Was a breeze. But the golden virgina was for personal use, (my own personal use) do it was no issue.

[giles]

Didn't know you could freeze it
Thanks Des

[Perpetua]

It doesn't freeze solid Giles, incase you or anyone else was wondering . . . rather more ' thickens up ' so when you come to use any frozen juice, let it come back up to room temperature, give the bottle a good shake and you're good to go.

The couple of things to bear in mind for long term storage, over 2 years . . . is that if it's flavoured juice if you've stored it in a plastic bottle then some of the flavour may leech into the plastic, glass bottles would stop that and the nicotine strength may have diminshed slightly. But other than that, it's a very successful means of juice storage.

[Skwoddy]

*runs to find the bookmark for bulk nic*

[giles]

Thanks Perpetua. Now all I have to do is negotiate the freezer space.

[azzie]

Taxing the nicotine will cause a knockon affect on organic agriculture too.

Nicotine suspensions are used as an organic approved pesticide for crops. The solution is not as black and white as it seems.

Tobacco duties and vat raised £12.1 billion during the finanicail year of 2011-12. This raw figure is open to interpretation as it wont include the monies generated by the industry as a whole (wages; national insurance; logistics; rents; utilities etc) and subsequent additional taxation as a whole.

Source: www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

Unfortunately the manipulation, and presentation, of statistics can argue for both sides of a perspective.

[Skwoddy]

Sept 21, 2012 10:00:36 GMT azzie said:

Taxing the nicotine will cause a knockon affect on organic agriculture too.

Nicotine suspensions are used as an organic approved pesticide for crops. The solution is not as black and white as it seems.

Tobacco duties and vat raised £12.1 billion during the finanicail year of 2011-12. This raw figure is open to interpretation as it wont include the monies generated by the industry as a whole (wages; national insurance; logistics; rents; utilities etc) and subsequent additional taxation as a whole.

Source: www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

Unfortunately the manipulation, and presentation, of statistics can argue for both sides of a perspective.

“Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”

I suspect also that alot of vapers use the habit as a financial gain more than a medical gain, can we assume based on this, that not unlike tobacco, it will drive alot of the market underground, if we look at non uk duty paid tobacco it almost trebled the income from uk duty paid in 2005. Scarier still it also introduces counterfeit goods and not just smuggled goods. As you say, we are opening a larger can of worms than just slapping some tax on smokers / vapers.

[giles]

Right azzie, I forgot the VAT. Presumably we pay VAT on this stuff too, assuming our suppliers are VAT rated? But less of it of course.

Couldn't they exclude the agricultural use nicotine somehow? Kind of like industrial alchohol?

I agree about statistics, and of course the pharma companies are the experts at that.

[meeee]

I can see it now, nicotine trips to france to get cheap bottles.

[womble]

Sept 21, 2012 10:25:28 GMT giles said:

Couldn't they exclude the agricultural use nicotine somehow? Kind of like industrial alchohol?

I was going to say that, very easy to do.
They'll probably tax nic for consumption.

[lobeydosser]

I think we must always keep in mind that Vaping is only a safer way of in-taking nicotine than Smoking it and as such, Non Smokers are going to be as against Vaping as they are against Smoking.
IE, the majority of people in the UK are going to be against Vapers.
Indeed they will not bother about the "Facts" regarding whether it is safe, unsafe, or anything else about it, so do not expect any support from the majority of UK residents.
Also, only about 1 in 10 of those that smoke, have ever heard of Vaping, let alone looked into it or given it a try.

Over the last decade or so, we have become a nation that is questioning everything that we consume and the effects, good or bad that those sustenances give us has resulted in much research going into this field.

The effects of E-cigs will, in the future, be much researched as it needs to be, because some people are experiencing side effects that are not understood, are causing some concern and they have already been discussed on this Forum.
Whether these side effects are a consequence of stopping smoking or a direct effect from some of the ingredients of some e-juices need to be looked at in laboratory conditions.

It will very much depend on whether that research is carried out by a government department or by the tobacco industry as to whether Vaping in this country has any future at all.

Much as I applaud the efforts of some modders with their inovative advances in taking this hobby forward and making it more affordable to more users, I am very wary of those who feel that they can mix up a few very dangerous chemicals and just because it tastes nice to them, can start selling it to anyone without any form of licence or regulations. This is one part of our hobby which will, undoubtedly be heavily stamped on in the future.

It is not illegal in this coutry to grow your own tobacco as long as it is for your own use and I do not see it ever becoming illegal to mix your own e-juice as long as it is for your own use, but e-juice will become a Taxable commodity, although how many of the chemicals that go into it will eventually be taxed, remains to be seen.

[Perpetua]

Sept 21, 2012 1:34:47 GMT giles said:

Thanks Perpetua. Now all I have to do is negotiate the freezer space.

Lol . . . I've a drawer in my mate's freezer as well Giles, that's friendship for you.

[womble]

Sept 21, 2012 11:33:14 GMT Perpetua said:

Lol . . . I've a drawer in my mate's freezer as well Giles, that's friendship for you.

You can chuck some in mine if you want, no problem!

I do find I get a bit of evaporation in there though, about 2ml a day

[giles]

Sept 21, 2012 11:46:00 GMT womble said:

I do find I get a bit of evaporation in there though, about 2ml a day

Stone me womble, your freezer vapes as much as I do

Edit in the sober morning -
Oh, that was the point wasn't it

[Ratfinkz]

skwoddy said:

“Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

MY partner as a data analysist for HMIC, works with statistics day in day out i HAVE to remember to tell him this quote tomo! Anyone know where it's from?