Some idle thoughts - the future of vaping?

[giles]

Sept 22, 2012 3:33:48 GMT Ratfinkz said:

skwoddy said:

“Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.

MY partner as a data analysist for HMIC, works with statistics day in day out i HAVE to remember to tell him this quote tomo! Anyone know where it's from?

Aaron Levenstein (business prof, long dead). Personally I prefer the one which says that 76.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Dunno who said that first.

Anybody interested in how big pharma go about making them up might like to look at www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/sep/21/drugs-industry-scandal-ben-goldacre

[lobeydosser]

Sept 21, 2012 11:33:14 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 21, 2012 1:34:47 GMT giles said:

Thanks Perpetua. Now all I have to do is negotiate the freezer space.

Lol . . . I've a drawer in my mate's freezer as well Giles, that's friendship for you.

While I can see the point of keeping e-juice in a Fridge, I do not see the point of actually Freezing it.

And, if you are losing 2ml a day "due to evaporation", are you sure it is actually evaporation and not distillation?
Depending on the amount in the bottle to start with, 2ml could be a significant

In Freezing liquids such as e-juice, what freezes first will be the water/alcohol content which will distill the lquid and make it stronger than was originally mixed.

[Perpetua]

This is the inside of my fridge Lobey . . . I've barely room for food as it is.






Freezing juice, will like anything else, extend it's lifespan, it doesn't freeze solid as some of the ingredients we use in our ejuice are also to be found in antifreeze.

Our Womble was being witty . . . the ' evaporation ' to which he refers to, is actually the amount he vapes . . . it doesn't evaporate.

[Frogster (The Alchemist)]

Sept 21, 2012 11:46:00 GMT womble said:

I do find I get a bit of evaporation in there though, about 2ml a day

I do that much before breakfast

[womble]

I actually vape more than that, but I thought it was a fair tax for using my freezer

[tmax]

Sorry if this has already been posted couldnt see it though.

GrimmGreen posted it on FB today,
www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2012/09/breaking-news-eu-poised-to-ban-electronic-cigarettes.html

[lobeydosser]

And from that news article <<<The EU plans to ban the marketing of all nicotine containing products which have not been approved as a medicine. This, of course, includes electronic cigarettes. >>>

I take it that will also include Cigarettes then?

[lobeydosser]

Sept 21, 2012 11:33:14 GMT Perpetua said:

Sept 21, 2012 1:34:47 GMT giles said:

Thanks Perpetua. Now all I have to do is negotiate the freezer space.

Lol . . . I've a drawer in my mate's freezer as well Giles, that's friendship for you.

I take it then that when Freezer was mentioned you meant Fridge?

[VE Jason]

Insurance for selling e-liquid (Products Liability) starts at around 5K per year, depending on turnover.

12 months ago, there was no company that would give the 'full' cover (to my knowledge), but the fact that some underwriters are now willing to do it is a sign that they are recognising the growth of e-cigs and e-liquids.

Still expensive though

[Brian]

Sept 22, 2012 19:02:07 GMT VE Jason said:

Insurance for selling e-liquid (Products Liability) starts at around 5K per year, depending on turnover.

12 months ago, there was no company that would give the 'full' cover (to my knowledge), but the fact that some underwriters are now willing to do it is a sign that they are recognising the growth of e-cigs and e-liquids.

Still expensive though

Is that just "selling" juice?

What about mixing and selling Jason?

What I`m trying to say, is.

Griz makes your juices to his recipe. Whereas selling a pre-bottled juice like hangsen or dekang which is bought direct from a wholesaler/factory is surely going to be cheaper to insure from a liability sense.

Griz`s insurance must be enormous. considering what he is handling day in and day out.

[Deleted]

Sept 22, 2012 19:02:07 GMT VE Jason said:

Insurance for selling e-liquid (Products Liability) starts at around 5K per year, depending on turnover.

12 months ago, there was no company that would give the 'full' cover (to my knowledge), but the fact that some underwriters are now willing to do it is a sign that they are recognising the growth of e-cigs and e-liquids.

Still expensive though

I'm sure blakey's cocomel bill would cover that Jason

[VE Jason]

The same terms apply with the insurers Brian.

You have to get the liquid tested regularly, regardless of where it comes from (they don't recognise China testing).

If you don't get it tested and show that you're meeting with the CHIP regs etc - they won't insure you - it's that simple with them.

[VE Jason]

Sept 22, 2012 19:47:59 GMT @storm said:

Sept 22, 2012 19:02:07 GMT VE Jason said:

Insurance for selling e-liquid (Products Liability) starts at around 5K per year, depending on turnover.

12 months ago, there was no company that would give the 'full' cover (to my knowledge), but the fact that some underwriters are now willing to do it is a sign that they are recognising the growth of e-cigs and e-liquids.

Still expensive though

I'm sure blakey's cocomel bill would cover that Jason

We had to take extra insurance out because of Blakey, just in case he sued us for failing to provide

[Brian]

Out of interest.

Is cocomel your best selling juice?

I know its very popular in here, but wondered if its as popular on other forums

[VE Jason]

No, Black Cat is by far the best selling Brian.

Cocomel is in the top 3 though, from memory.