Some idle thoughts - the future of vaping?

[Ellen]

Sept 23, 2012 11:36:04 GMT azzie said:

It does make you wonder if some of these vendors are properly insured, vat registered and actually setup as a trading entity

The short answer is no, a lot of them aren't, even several in the vendors list on this forum

[VE Jason]

From another angle...everyone has to start somewhere.

VAT dodging is something that does annoy me though, because it does give an unfair advantage.

The thing is, it will come back to haunt any online retailer that's doing it (not just e-cigs), because everything is traceable (Paypal, Credit Cards etc) and it does get back dated.

[lobeydosser]

All very true Jason, but VAT Fraud is only going to come back to haunt the business and most of Joe Public couldn't give a fig about VAT.

But on the subject of insurance, just imagine the negative publicity effects of someone dying from vaping a mistakenly mixed e-juice!!!!!

Okay, I know that there are hundreds of people dying each year from Smoking, but at this tender time for E-cigs, folks who Mix & Sell should be very wary of what they are doing because just one batch causing injury or worse would stop this movement in its tracks.

We have already seen the publicity given to one person who left a battery switch on, on a Coach. Just imagine the who-haa there would be over small firm producing a mixture of duff juice. The outcome is unimaginable.

I guess we all have "Idle thoughts on the future of Vaping" and I'm sure we all also have "idle nightmares" about it too.

Vaping, Modding and Mixing are all good and must be encouraged. But, then taking those ideas into the business sector is a whole different ball game.
Just because I know how to boil an egg doesn't mean that I want to open a restaurant.
I know how many hours a week Jason puts into his business and I can only presume that he is umarried, celibate and has his bed in the back store.

[Ashdog]

I am a bit worried by the thought of stocking up on nic base at 75% is that a safe level to have around the house? what I have is 54%

[Pam O]

Sept 23, 2012 19:48:04 GMT Ashdog said:

I am a bit worried by the thought of stocking up on nic base at 75% is that a safe level to have around the house? what I have is 54%

I think most houses and garages contain large bottles of very toxic substances, bleach antifreeze etc which have to be kept well away from kids and pets. I don't think nic juice would present any more of a danger than those if stored properly.

Pam

[andym]

Big Pharma will NEVER enter the realms of Vaping.There just isnt enough money in it for them.They need to have products that the "Customer" hopefully will need for the rest of their life.It will have to have VERY clear health benefits and ANY Juices etc will have to conform to the MHRA regulations,and that means extensive Clinical Trials just for starters.These are VERY expensive and dont always show what the Companies want.Today all Pharma Companies want their products to be sold Worldwide,not just in a handful of Countries.To put this in perspective,only 1 out of 250 "chemical entities" ever makes it to Clinical trial.On average it costs a Pharma company around £250,000,000 to get it to that stage,even then it may fail to get a Liscense.Or not even be approved for use.So to be honest,its not going to happen.How do i know?I work in the Pharmaceutical Industry.

[Brian]

Sept 23, 2012 20:26:16 GMT andym said:

They need to have products that the "Customer" hopefully will need for the rest of their life.

As far as im concerned. I will vape for the rest of my life!
I have no intention of stopping, and doubt that many folks want, or need, to stop.

[Karma]

Hi andy #welcome2#

one wonders if some of these 'chemical entities' could be the wonder drugs that some people really need to prolong their lifes or keep them from pain. Such a shame that the bottom line for everything today is money

[andym]

Dont get me wrong,but the operative word there was NEED.We dont NEED to vape,but if you have a disease or illness you NEED medication.Thats the difference.I am with you,i enjoy vaping and have no intention of stopping either.I wish i had been introduced to it a long time ago.LOL

[andym]

Sept 23, 2012 20:38:55 GMT Karma said:

Hi andy

one wonders if some of these 'chemical entities' could be the wonder drugs that some people really need to prolong their lifes or keep them from pain. Such a shame that the bottom line for everything today is money

You have hit on a moot point there.I know for a fact that a certain Global Pharma company has in a safe a product that can clear up Leg Ulcers in 2 weeks!If they used it they would go bust.I am sure that some "Chemical entities" discovered are so called Wonder drugs but if the Company brought them to market they would lose out big time.Product protection is a MASSIVE issue in the Industry.Many odd things happen to extend a Drugs Patent life.A company usually has about 7 years to recoup all the R&D expenditure before it becomes available as a "Generic".So they come out with a "New" Indication or Dose/delivery System to extend the Patent life.If you want to be rich,become a Lawyer and work for a Drugs Company!!!!

[Karma]

Feel free to start your own thread Andy, you'll get lot's of welcomes and loads of nosey questions regarding your vaping set up

[Karma]

Sept 23, 2012 20:39:48 GMT andym said:

Dont get me wrong,but the operative word there was NEED.We dont NEED to vape,but if you have a disease or illness you NEED medication.Thats the difference.I am with you,i enjoy vaping and have no intention of stopping either.I wish i had been introduced to it a long time ago.LOL

Actually I do need to vape, i'm a hopeless nicotine addict and Big Pharmas NRTs just don't do it for me

[Perpetua]

Sept 23, 2012 19:48:04 GMT Ashdog said:

I am a bit worried by the thought of stocking up on nic base at 75% is that a safe level to have around the house? what I have is 54%

Either and any strength of Nicotine base can be harmful if not used or stored incorrectly Ash, but if you're more comfortable having and using 54mg, then stick with that . . . it tends to be the strength I generally use, as it's easier for my rudimentary mathematical calculations.

[womble]

Sept 23, 2012 19:48:04 GMT Ashdog said:

I am a bit worried by the thought of stocking up on nic base at 75% is that a safe level to have around the house? what I have is 54%

Either is pretty deadly if it's used in the wrong way.
I think nicotine is much worse than normal household things, as you only have to get it on your skin to be deadly, you don't have to drink it.

I just couldn't risk it with kids in the house and if I did, it would be in something like a very very secure box, always locked away.

[Globalbloke (Tim)]

So, if they start with taxation on the Nicotine base then all those Pharma comapnies will also need to pay a higher rate of tax so therefore the NRT products sold by them will be priced out of the market as well! They could never tax an ecig (the actual unit) because it's effectively a battery and a connection (so they would need to restrict and tax ALOT of other things of the same construction).