The UK will be against the Directive

[lobeydosser]

Jan 9, 2013 15:27:04 GMT scaffman69 said:

@ lobeydosser, how would you store nicotine base.

I have bought 25 x 100ml medicine bottles and I will decant all my PG and VG nic base into these and then put them all in the freezer.
This will allow me to take out only enough to use when I am mixing, rather than have to take out a bigger bottle, thaw it out, use what I need and then refreeze it.

100ml of the 75mg nic base that I have will give me 6 X 50ml bottles of e-juice.
50ml of e-juice will last me 2 weeks.

[gillas]

it will not freeze it just goes very glupy and you can keep it for years with negligible loss of nic strength

[Deleted]

And by comparison this is the letter I received from my MP

Dear Steve,

Thank you for your email and your personal testimony.

I have no knowledge of E-cigs but following your email I shall learn more about them and as long as they are a healthy substitute for smoking I shall give them my backing.

Kind Regards,

[Karma]

Jan 9, 2013 17:58:42 GMT @storm said:

And by comparison this is the letter I received from my MP

Dear Steve,

Thank you for your email and your personal testimony.

I have no knowledge of E-cigs but following your email I shall learn more about them and as long as they are a healthy substitute for smoking I shall give them my backing.

Kind Regards,

Perhaps you should e-mail him some links Storm? He could join here, we'd soon have him up to speed

[dognero]

I got the same reply from the same mp


Dear Mr. Hardy,

Thank you for your email setting out your thoughts on a proposal issued
by the European Commission to amend current European law concerning the
manufacture, presentation and sale of tobacco and related products.

Among the products to be affected by the proposed changes are electronic
inhalers, commonly known as personal vaporizers or e-cigarettes, which
vaporize a liquid solution containing nicotine into an aerosol mist
which is then inhaled to simulate the act of smoking tobacco. The
Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold
for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per
millilitre, unless the products have been classified as for medicinal
use. This would render the solution too weak to be a viable source of
nicotine for smokers or ex-smokers, or would require manufacturers to
apply for a costly licence to manufacture medicinal products.

You are not alone in contacting me on this issue - many constituents
feel similarly strongly. I have examined the arguments and I see the
potential e-cigarettes offer as harm-reduction devices to improve human
health. I am particularly convinced by the fact that e-cigarettes offer
concentrated nicotine to addicts without the 4000 toxins and carcinogens
found in tobacco smoke, that use of e-cigarettes removes the risk posed
to non-smokers (and especially to children of smokers) by second hand
smoke, that e-cigarettes appeal to adult smokers seeking to quit but not
generally to children or those not yet addicted to nicotine, that
traditional nicotine replacement therapies proposed by the NHS and the
pharmaceutical industry have had very limited success in helping smokers
quit permanently, and that thousands of British e-cigarette users (and
millions across the EU and the world) are likely return to smoking if
the directive is amended as foreseen and nicotine concentrations are
limited to 4mg/ml. I have no doubt that this will lead to a large
percentage of such users dying of smoking-related diseases they might
otherwise have avoided, with all the personal and societal consequences
this would mean. Such arguments have led me to conclude that the
proposed changes to limit permitted concentrations of nicotine solution
sold in the EU are counter-productive and will do much more harm than
good.

Changes to EU tobacco legislation have been expected for some time but
were delayed by the recent resignation of the previous European
Commissioner for Health and Consumer Affairs, John Dalli. His
replacement, Tonio Borg, has expressed a desire to change the law before
his mandate expires in June 2014. To prevent the proposed changes
concerning e-cigarettes and all the negative consequences that would
arise, we must work hard in the year ahead to build solid majorities in
both the Parliament and the Council.

As a member of the Parliament's Committee on the Environment, Public
Health and Food Safety I will do everything in my power to make the
arguments and convince other MEPs of the foolishness of diluting
nicotine solution to the point of uselessness. I would also encourage
you to raise awareness among others in the vapourizing community. The
internet offers considerable opportunities to draw the attention of a
wide audience to the issue and to contact your elected representatives
quickly and easily. If you have not already done so I would encourage
you to write to your MP and request him to raise the matter in
Westminster, and persuade other e-cigarette users to do the same. If we
bring to the attention of the public, the political world and the media
the strong arguments in favour of e-cigarettes as a harm reduction
device and the number of lives which can be saved through their use, we
have a very strong chance of winning the argument.

I would also be happy to receive your comments and suggestions as we
move through the legislative process. I have offices in the UK and in
Brussels and if there is anything else you would like to bring to my
attention, please do not hesitate to get in touch. I am here to work on
your behalf and represent your interests and would be delighted to hear
from you.

With very best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2013,

Martin Callanan

Conservative Member of the European Parliament for the North East

Leader, European Conservatives and Reformists Group

[Rybes]

Jan 9, 2013 13:32:00 GMT fagin said:

Jan 9, 2013 12:57:08 GMT scaffman69 said:

Imo although ppl will try it wont make a bit of difference because they are all in the pockets of the big boys who pay legit back handers so to speak. Sooner or later it will happen.

Does the tinfoil hat itch sometimes?

lmao. mine can, have ya got any tips to stop it cos its drivin me mad. paranoid conspiracy theorist me

its nice to see the goverment actually listenin and agreein for once. hopefully if e cig users can put a bit more pressure on politicains, theyll see its worthwhile in the end. the only thing theyd be loosin is tobacco company handouts

[Ron]

[glow=red,2,300]The
Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold
for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per
millilitre[/glow]

does anyone think the amount is being misinterpreted .I say this as on this forum even you hear people say they are getting nic juice at 50, 75 ect when in fact the nic juice is in fact 5.0 ,7.5 and an average diy is 1.8 as oppose to the 2.4 that is a normal cigarette

or have I missed something?

[andylec]

Jan 9, 2013 15:17:29 GMT lobeydosser said:

Considering the amount of time that we have known that this directive "may" become fact, anyone who does not make a conscious effort to put away a reasonable amount of Nic Base, just in case, is taking a big chance on their future vaping hobby.

We do not know for how much longer Nic Base, PG, VG, Rebuildables and all the rest of our paraphernalia will be as freely available as it is at present and so I am just over halfway towards squirrling away enough to keep me happily vaping for the next 5 years.
Whether our hobby is banned, taxed, restricted or left alone, my vaping needs for the future is in my hands and not some ill informed group in either Brussels or Westminster.

I have written to all of my apropriate MP, MSPs and MEPs, but the answer (one) so far does not fill me with confidence.

100% agree with you lobbey and done exactly the same, as yet no replies from them

[Deleted]

Jan 9, 2013 22:54:27 GMT Ron said:

[glow=red,2,300]The
Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold
for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per
millilitre[/glow]

does anyone think the amount is being misinterpreted .I say this as on this forum even you hear people say they are getting nic juice at 50, 75 ect when in fact the nic juice is in fact 5.0 ,7.5 and an average diy is 1.8 as oppose to the 2.4 that is a normal cigarette

or have I missed something?

Agreed. Possibly on purpose ... Apples and bananas

[Anne (fuzzy)]

I contacted all 7 of my MEP's but have had no response yet, even though I politely asked for one. I wonder if some get binned.

[Deleted]

Don't forget Anne some stuffy b'stards get longer xmas hols than us plebs

[vereybowring]

I have three out of six automated replies so far from MEP's and one reply was the "I'm on holiday" out of office message.
I will follow up either at the week end or early next week and get round to my MP too.
I am also going to try my MSP since the more the merrier.

[robby]

This site makes interesting reading, 99.9% pure nicotine,

link edited out - Gordy

If you follow their DIY e liquid calculator, you can make 1.2 ltrs (120 10ml bottles) of e liquid at 18mg strength from a 30ml bottle of 99.9% pure nicotine (approx $25). Obviously if you only wanted 9mg e liquid you could make 2.4 ltrs, that`s a lot of e liquid Please correct me if I have got that wrong, but I dont think so.

[lobeydosser]

You cannot import into the UK any nic base that is higher than 75mg.
No one will send you anything higher anyway. They would lose their licence if they did.

I buy my 75mg nic base from NicVape.com

[hifistud]