New Study of Electronic Cigarettes

[MarkS]

Thanks sooetie although I can't take too much credit as most of it comes from UKV.

[MarkS]

Just updated the OP with a link to a breakdown of the study from ASH.

It contains pictures of the e-cigs used and the nicotine levels, but I still couldn't see PG/VG ratios or voltage information.

Looks like my MEP's will be getting another email tomorrow morning with the ASH link in it. Well many of them did say they needed more information.

[MarkS]

Very interesting find from the study which has been widely debated:

In e-cigarettes which vaporize nicotine effectively, the amount inhaled from 15 puffs is lower compared with smoking a conventional cigarette.

[robby]

That`s the trouble with e cigs, if you dont actually use them or at least smoke and have a nicotine addiction, you just dont understand fully how good they are compared to the stinkies

[MarkS]

I agree Robby, but it is good that this is an independent study, so it may make some sit up and take note.

As I say all my MEP's will be getting this in the morning.

[jonn]

How much independent the study actually is remains to be seen IMO.

The Pfizer's interest(as one of the sponsors of the research) of pushing the e-cigs towards a medicinal product category

is rather clear...

[kibbster]

This is all great news, but it's not something we didn't know - there's no smoking gun here for the ANTZ just as there never has been.
It kills all of their arguments dead, but then they already knew that and they didn't listen then and I doubt they'll all listen now (hopefully some politicians that were on the fence will start to believe.)

I think this is why the ANTZ at the EU got desperate and pulled the "You might drink it" and "think of the children!" Daily Mail arguments because they are quite hard to argue against, even if they are utter bobbins.

If the MHRA go the same way as the sane people who have the ability to read (ASH etc) then I think we've got a very good chance of the UK government either trying to change the EU directive or pull us out of it.
If the MHRA are as mad as a box of frogs like the BMA then we could be in trouble and we'll have to redouble our efforts with the MPs and MEPs, protest, march on Parliament etc.

Still the more studies that come out and are spoken about by respected important people the better and better vaping looks and the more likely we are to be still vaping up to 45mg juice in a couple of years


Another quick thought.
When things go our way for light touch legislation or same as we are now (pretty much the same things) and we can carry on vaping without being put in prison camps for harm reduction can we charge the BMA with attempted murder, wilful negligence etc by trying to persuade the Government and EU to ban e-cigs?
Once the dust settles they can share a cell with the ANTZ in the EU... they'd get along famously.

[Karma]

Mar 11, 2013 21:13:53 GMT kibbster said:

If the MHRA are as mad as a box of frogs like the BMA then we could be in trouble 

I blummin hope not!

I've posted before on this forum as to what I think 'BMA' stands for, I'll refrain from doing it again as I'm a sensible moderator now, and this is a public board  


       

[MarkS]

Mar 11, 2013 20:54:31 GMT jonn said:

How much independent the study actually is remains to be seen IMO.

The Pfizer's interest(as one of the sponsors of the research) of pushing the e-cigs towards a medicinal product category

is rather clear...

It said he receives funding from pfizer. Didn't say pfizer funded the study and the full study says in some cases inhalers contain more formaldehyde than e-cigs according to Dr Siegels blog.

So not exactly painting their own products in a good light in comparison.

[MarkS]

Mar 11, 2013 21:13:53 GMT kibbster said:

This is all great news, but it's not something we didn't know - there's no smoking gun here for the ANTZ just as there never has been.
It kills all of their arguments dead, but then they already knew that and they didn't listen then and I doubt they'll all listen now (hopefully some politicians that were on the fence will start to believe.)

I think this is why the ANTZ at the EU got desperate and pulled the "You might drink it" and "think of the children!" Daily Mail arguments because they are quite hard to argue against, even if they are utter bobbins.

If the MHRA go the same way as the sane people who have the ability to read (ASH etc) then I think we've got a very good chance of the UK government either trying to change the EU directive or pull us out of it.
If the MHRA are as mad as a box of frogs like the BMA then we could be in trouble and we'll have to redouble our efforts with the MPs and MEPs, protest, march on Parliament etc.

Still the more studies that come out and are spoken about by respected important people the better and better vaping looks and the more likely we are to be still vaping up to 45mg juice in a couple of years


Another quick thought.
When things go our way for light touch legislation or same as we are now (pretty much the same things) and we can carry on vaping without being put in prison camps for harm reduction can we charge the BMA with attempted murder, wilful negligence etc by trying to persuade the Government and EU to ban e-cigs?
Once the dust settles they can share a cell with the ANTZ in the EU... they'd get along famously.

I think you are right about the "drink it" and "what about the children" arguments Kibbster.

Even if the MRHA do come out with a load of old tosh then they will be challenged in court and going on recent results, there is a good chance they will lose. Unless of course we end up with a judge who's pockets are bigger than his Morals.

[djs]

Mar 11, 2013 20:20:08 GMT MarkS said:

Very interesting find from the study which has been widely debated:

In e-cigarettes which vaporize nicotine effectively, the amount inhaled from 15 puffs is lower compared with smoking a conventional cigarette.

I'm still keen to know more about this aspect. Lower nicotine than a low nicotine analogue?

Is 2ml of 20mg a day a 40mg nicotine "yield" for me, or a 4mg one?
Sometimes I wonder, as I don't seem to crave nicotine at all anymore.....(well, maybe after 4-5 hours without a vape)

[MarkS]

Mar 11, 2013 23:24:04 GMT djs said:

Mar 11, 2013 20:20:08 GMT MarkS said:

Very interesting find from the study which has been widely debated:

I'm still keen to know more about this aspect. Lower nicotine than a low nicotine analogue?

Is 2ml of 20mg a day a 40mg nicotine "yield" for me, or a 4mg one?
Sometimes I wonder, as I don't seem to crave nicotine at all anymore.....(well, maybe after 4-5 hours without a vape)

Not sure DJs but as they list the nic strengths used I'd imagine they tested against an equivalent?

[MarkS]

Sent to MEP's and my MP.

I urge all of you to do the same.

[robby]

I think the time is coming close when we should take to the streets and protest. We need to be visible and to get the facts out there and get some publicity. If we dont and legislation becomes a certainty, we wont be able to do a thing about it. I think at the moment, we are almost seen as cranks lol. 

[womble]

I'd like to see a study of liquids available and not whole lookalikes with included juices

Be very interested to see the differences. Problem is, I don't think the money is there to do it.