Long awaited MHRA announcement

[alanfinal]

I have a SAS style plan that involves,waiting for the crop sprayers to get ready to treat the lettuce fields,I will then break into their buildings and steel the nicotine,from there I sell it to Mr Big,who then distributes it on to his barons,so it can hit the streets,by 2017 I will be sitting in Bermuda suckers while you all chew on your slug infested salads

[markm]

Nic juice cant get through the first hurdle of medicines regulation, it is not a treatment so has no efficacy.

[neptune]

my take on it is this. If medical regulation becomes fact. Existing retailers will survive, and will not necessarily need a license, as long as they are selling brands and models that are licensed. It is manufacturers that will need a license. Problem is that a separate license will be required for each product, and for each permitted flavour. That will severely restrict choice. I have my own arrangements in place, so McAvon can go and f**k herself.

[neptune]

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[MarkS]

I read this article this morning and thought it relevant at the time before the announcement and I guess it's even more relevant now.

"Pharmacy leaders lambast MHRA plans over GSL sales on planes and trains"
Pharmacy leaders have hit out at MHRA proposals to sell general sale list (GSL) medicines on planes and trains, warning about the risks of selling UK-licensed drugs to international travellers.
www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk/news-content/-/article_display_list/15813428/pharmacy-leaders-lambast-mhra-plans-over-gsl-sales-on-planes-and-trains


You have to sign up to read the whole article (it's free), but the general gist is that the MHRA are going to lax the rules regarding where GSL medicines can be sold. So even if their proposals do actually happen (I still doubt they won't) then it won't just be restricted to pharmacy sales.

I came to the conclusion several weeks ago that the future of ecigs in this country and the EU will be decided in a court of law. All of our efforts to date have not been in vain, but my personal belief is the whole thing has become a bit of charade and we are just paying lip service to those who love to wield the power we give them. They are loving feeling all important over this issue.

The MHRA or the EU were/are never going to say "all is hunky dory and continue as you were" and in my opinion it was always going to be for the courts to decide.

I can't be overly concerned by what the MHRA have said because until I see the full details that haven't really said much other than what they were expected to say all along. It's all to vague at the moment.

Their decision will be legally challenged as will I expect the EU's pending ruling on ecigs.

My only concern is do we leave the legal challenges just to industry? Maybe consumers should be grouping together and raising a separate legal fund to bring a legal challenge?

[kurotoshiro]

Just a quick question that puzzles me. (I don't know if there's a clear answer, but I'd be interested in any opinions.)

Suppose I manufacture an ecig. And suppose there are some regulations that come out of this whole process that classify "nicotine containing products" as medicinal.

Can I just put a sticker on my ecig which says "Only intended for the vapourisation of non-nicotine liquids" and side-step the whole thing???

[MarkS]

Jun 12, 2013 14:38:00 GMT kurotoshiro said:

Just a quick question that puzzles me. (I don't know if there's a clear answer, but I'd be interested in any opinions.)

Suppose I manufacture an ecig. And suppose there are some regulations that come out of this whole process that classify "nicotine containing products" as medicinal.

Can I just put a sticker on my ecig which says "Only intended for the vapourisation of non-nicotine liquids" and side-step the whole thing???

At the moment no one really knows.

As I said above it's all to vague right now.

[a1laserboy]

Jun 12, 2013 14:38:00 GMT kurotoshiro said:

Just a quick question that puzzles me. (I don't know if there's a clear answer, but I'd be interested in any opinions.)

Suppose I manufacture an ecig. And suppose there are some regulations that come out of this whole process that classify "nicotine containing products" as medicinal.

Can I just put a sticker on my ecig which says "Only intended for the vapourisation of non-nicotine liquids" and side-step the whole thing???

Devices meant for vaporising or otherwise consuming, processing or growing  c*n*bis are perfectly legal, yet the intended substance they are designed to be used with is illegal...... The same must apply to our mods, atomisers etc.? Only leaving the nicotine product itself in need of regulation. Unless the device sold comes pre-loaded with nicotine (cigalikes that we already know vary greatly in their quality)

Well, thats how i see it

[matt1988]

That's how I see it too a1laserboy.

You can have all the equipment and even the seeds to grow a cannabis plant, but you can't actually grow it.

I think the regulations mostly concentrate on cig-a-likes as they are the majority, but the e-liquid would be medicinalised, which will of course increase the cost of the product, but we will still be able to get the stuff we need.

But until we get to read their proposals (in full) we won't know what they really want to do!

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 12, 2013 12:46:23 GMT fred said:

Just my 2 cents worth on the whole medicines thing-

Has it been mentioned that they will be a prescription medicine? If not, then surely there is less of a problem than we're possibly thinking.

After-all, paracetemol, asprin, ibuprofen are all regulated as medicines, however I can LEGALLY buy them in a pharmacy, a petrol-station, the corner shop and even from abroad, on the internet.

I'm not fully up to speed with the situation, but just being regulated as medicines, may not necessarily mean only available in pharmacies.

What is comically ironic for me is that I am diabetic and therefore get free prescriptions. I might end up getting them for nothing!!! not sure i would want them though if nic levels are too low

[djs]

I'm no more or less in the dark than I was before.

[DiscoDes]

[Blownupdolly]

Problem solved???

www.tobaccoplants.co.uk/faq.html

I am a good gardener. I see £££££ signs on the back of my eyes

In all seriousness you can grow your own. Just don't tell the taxman.

[djs]

I wonder how the lying shyster look-a-like companies are going to get away with the "40-cigarettes" botox when they have to print the exact nicotine content on the side of their £9.99 cartomizers in Lloyds pharmacy?

[Jen]

Jun 12, 2013 16:06:39 GMT Blownupdolly said:

Problem solved???

www.tobaccoplants.co.uk/faq.html

I am a good gardener. I see £££££ signs on the back of my eyes

In all seriousness you can grow your own. Just don't tell the taxman.

How do you turn a leaf into a solution then? Are you going to go all Breaking Bad on us?