chemical Addiction

[Karma]

Jun 19, 2013 14:38:00 GMT siffy said:

Not where to put this question, hope it's ok here.

When I smoked I would average 40 mins, in between. Today I noticed two hours had passed, very happily, and I then fancied a vape. Am on 70/30 18mg juice.

So, it made me wonder, I understand about the nicotine addiction in a stinkie, but is it the addiction to the other chemicals too?, in otherwords are the chemicals just as addictive as the nicotine?

I think the other chemicals are perhaps more addictive that nicotine!  I was a very heavy rollie smoker before i discovered vaping!

Just my own personal thoughts here,  I enjoy vaping and given the chance will happily chain vape at 15mg.

I've not been around the forum as much as usual as my life has been so hectic and stressful at the moment.  Due to me being out the house for long periods of time I've been using my MVP with a tank.  The MVP has a puff counter.  Over 8 hours yesterday I only had 56 puffs 

I wasn't 'gasping' or having nicotine withdrawal, it was fine.  then given the chance,back to chain vaping as I enjoy it!

I think I now enjoy nicotine, but i certainly am not as addicted as I was when smoking!

[4madcats]

Jun 19, 2013 22:00:54 GMT Karma said:

Jun 19, 2013 14:38:00 GMT siffy said:

Not where to put this question, hope it's ok here.

When I smoked I would average 40 mins, in between. Today I noticed two hours had passed, very happily, and I then fancied a vape. Am on 70/30 18mg juice.

So, it made me wonder, I understand about the nicotine addiction in a stinkie, but is it the addiction to the other chemicals too?, in otherwords are the chemicals just as addictive as the nicotine?

I think the other chemicals are perhaps more addictive that nicotine!  I was a very heavy rollie smoker before i discovered vaping!

Just my own personal thoughts here,  I enjoy vaping and given the chance will happily chain vape at 15mg.

I've not been around the forum as much as usual as my life has been so hectic and stressful at the moment.  Due to me being out the house for long periods of time I've been using my MVP with a tank.  The MVP has a puff counter.  Over 8 hours yesterday I only had 56 puffs 

I wasn't 'gasping' or having nicotine withdrawal, it was fine.  then given the chance,back to chain vaping as I enjoy it!

I think I now enjoy nicotine, but i certainly am not as addicted as I was when smoking!

Same here, I do a part time college course, 3hrs Friday morn's 9-12. We have a comfort break halfway through, if I'd still been on the ciggies it would have been straight outside to the smoking area, brew on the way back. Now I go to the canteen with everyone else, have my tea & teacake chill & chat, & if I need a vape, wee 450 mah battery with a CE2 fits my hand prefectly, 3/4 stealth draws in the loo . . . sorted

[davetherayon]

I remember as a kid standing outside when the road was being tarmacced. The fumes from the hot tarmac were very pleasant to me. Could it be a constituent of the tar in stinkies that's addictive?

[chykensa]

Strange that this debate should surface today, as I have had a different Wednesday to my usual round of schools and teaching.
I had a 2 hour meeting at lunchtime for a big music event we are staging in three weeks time, and I was a bit late so didn't have a vape before I went in. I intentionally didn't take anything in with me as I knew there wouldn't be the chance to vape anyway, and I was in shirtsleeves so had nowhere to put my eGo and clearo.
After the meeting, I got back into the car and drove home, sat at my computer for 30 mins before remembering that I hadn't got my Vamo out of the car.
Had a quick vape (10 puffs?) and then went off to watch my daughter gig rowing with the parents of one of her friends. Not feeling comfortable vaping in front of them (have only met them once before), I confined my vaping to a couple of quick deep tokes while they were elsewhere.
We then went off for a meal with them where we spent a pleasurable 2.5 hours in the Pizza restaurant, and not once during that time did I sneak off to the loo or outside to have a vape.
Only now that I am home do I have a vape.
The interesting thing about this is that my full battery (4.2v) this morning is still reading 4.0v and I have hardly vaped at all today, and I feel absolutely no teasiness or need to vape hard and long. I'm sure that my nic intake is far lower than usual, but I don't notice myself worrying about it.
Had that same day occured while I was smoking I would have sneaked at least 3 or 4 fags in the same situations, and would now be alomst chain smoking to 'make up' for the lack of fags.
Interesting, that . . .

Andy

[siffy]

A teacher Andy, then respect to you. As an exTA I have seen how tough and challenging your job can be, am suprised not all teachers vape;)

I am happy others feel the same as me about this, I may still be in need of my nicotine fix but at least I can pat myself on th back that I can now cope without the other chemicals.

When you all vape, how many inbreaths do you do, or drags, can't think of the right word, it's early.

Is there an average of drags, per stinkie? I don't want to sit in the garage counting, but at the same time am intrested.

[chykensa]

I'm lucky, I'm a peripatetic music teacher, so I only teach the students who want to learn! I too have respect for class teachers - I couldn't do their job.
I tend to have a couple of drags, put the PV down, and then leave it until I need another fix. This means that I am not 'finishing the fag', so probably this alone cuts down my nic intake by half, and then you have to take into account that I'm vaping 12mg juice, rather than rolling tobacco. All good.

Andy

[vereybowring]

Everybody is different when it comes to both smoking and vaping, addiction is more complex person to person as well.
I get bad withdrawal on nicotine alone from vaping, but still no where near as bad as from smoking (where my last quit attempt the physical symptoms convinced my GP of the time to stop the attempt).

Oh and I still get some headrush, but more usually after the first 30 mins vaping of the day (I chain vape quite a bit of the time), rather than the first cig of the day.
I usually use 28mg/ml liquid and have 36 mg/ml on standby when I want a bigger hit. I like the feeling I get from nicotine, to me I get the same flood of concentration and feel good factor as I get from a really nice strong cup of fresh coffee. This is part of the reason why after discovering the pleasure of vaping I will defnd peoples right to use it as much as I can.

[siffy]

Jun 20, 2013 6:25:31 GMT vereybowring said:

Everybody is different when it comes to both smoking and vaping, addiction is more complex person to person as well.
I get bad withdrawal on nicotine alone from vaping, but still no where near as bad as from smoking (where my last quit attempt the physical symptoms convinced my GP of the time to stop the attempt).

Oh and I still get some headrush, but more usually after the first 30 mins vaping of the day (I chain vape quite a bit of the time), rather than the first cig of the day.
I usually use 28mg/ml liquid and have 36 mg/ml on standby when I want a bigger hit. I like the feeling I get from nicotine, to me I get the same flood of concentration and feel good factor as I get from a really nice strong cup of fresh coffee. This is part of the reason why after discovering the pleasure of vaping I will defnd peoples right to use it as much as I can.

I have only been vaping for 8 days. I notice I am vaping as much in the morning as I was on ciggys, keeping the I'll just do this then vape routine. Noticed I can go longer periods through the day, without vaping, then back to my I'll just vape before I watch Coronation St type of routine in the evening. I feel I probably vape for about 2 mins, when I do, and am feeling happy about it. I haven't had a headrush or a headache yet, am on 18mgs, so I assume I have the right set up for me.

I'm not looking to vape less than I smoked just over the moon and counting my lucky stars that I am now at least vaping, and not smoking.

[4madcats]

Jun 20, 2013 5:57:04 GMT siffy said:

A teacher Andy, then respect to you. As an exTA I have seen how tough and challenging your job can be, am suprised not all teachers vape;)

I am happy others feel the same as me about this, I may still be in need of my nicotine fix but at least I can pat myself on th back that I can now cope without the other chemicals.

When you all vape, how many inbreaths do you do, or drags, can't think of the right word, it's early.

Is there an average of drags, per stinkie? I don't want to sit in the garage counting, but at the same time am intrested.

I think the "official" number of average draws on a ciggie are between 8 -12, not that I ever actually counted when I was smoking.
Now when I'm vaping I'm one of the double draw peeps, 2 back to back pretty much exhaling one through my nose as I'm taking the next.

[dragon]

I think I often smoked a ciggie, not because I needed one, but because I was scared of getting to the point when I needed one and couldn't have one. Vaping is less of a commitment somehow. I know I can take a draw pretty much whenever I want to, so I wait til I want too (except in the evenings in front of the telly when I chain vape )

I did try to go 0nic, but it wasn't a great success, so there is some addiction in there somewhere, but physiologically I am way less neurotic about it than with the stinkies.

[rich64]

Jun 20, 2013 11:21:09 GMT dragon said:

I think I often smoked a ciggie, not because I needed one, but because I was scared of getting to the point when I needed one and couldn't have one. Vaping is less of a commitment somehow. I know I can take a draw pretty much whenever I want to, so I wait til I want too (except in the evenings in front of the telly when I chain vape )

I did try to go 0nic, but it wasn't a great success, so there is some addiction in there somewhere, but physiologically I am way less neurotic about it than with the stinkies.

Id agree with your points dragon
my job does nt allow smoking and "nipping off for a fag break " is kind of frowned upon.
But going to the toilet is nt and a few draws on a PV soon sort out any nicotine craving.

I find because i now vape and its much more accessible as and when i want a nicotine hit it really does nt bother me so much and can go longer without with no effects of wanting / needing nicotine.

Im in the camp that nicotine is addictive (and probably some of the cigarette chemicals also) but alot of the craving id loosely describe as panic(fear of not getting a cigarette for the next couple of hours makes you want one more.

[siffy]

Jun 20, 2013 12:31:54 GMT rich64 said:

Jun 20, 2013 11:21:09 GMT dragon said:

I think I often smoked a ciggie, not because I needed one, but because I was scared of getting to the point when I needed one and couldn't have one. Vaping is less of a commitment somehow. I know I can take a draw pretty much whenever I want to, so I wait til I want too (except in the evenings in front of the telly when I chain vape )

I did try to go 0nic, but it wasn't a great success, so there is some addiction in there somewhere, but physiologically I am way less neurotic about it than with the stinkies.

Id agree with your points dragon
my job does nt allow smoking and "nipping off for a fag break " is kind of frowned upon.
But going to the toilet is nt and a few draws on a PV soon sort out any nicotine craving.

I find because i now vape and its much more accessible as and when i want a nicotine hit it really does nt bother me so much and can go longer without with no effects of wanting / needing nicotine.

Im in the camp that nicotine is addictive (and probably some of the cigarette chemicals also) but alot of the craving id loosely describe as panic(fear of not getting a cigarette for the next couple of hours makes you want one more.

Yes I am the same, I think the fear of not getting one for hours would make me pack them in.

I hope I didn't come across as thinking that I thought that nicotine was not addictive? Just meant I also felt, through my experience the other day, that the other chemicals where just as addictive, it made me wonder if no more than the actual nicotine.

I

[4madcats]

Jun 20, 2013 14:18:11 GMT siffy said:

Jun 20, 2013 12:31:54 GMT rich64 said:

Id agree with your points dragon
my job does nt allow smoking and "nipping off for a fag break " is kind of frowned upon.
But going to the toilet is nt and a few draws on a PV soon sort out any nicotine craving.

I find because i now vape and its much more accessible as and when i want a nicotine hit it really does nt bother me so much and can go longer without with no effects of wanting / needing nicotine.

Im in the camp that nicotine is addictive (and probably some of the cigarette chemicals also) but alot of the craving id loosely describe as panic(fear of not getting a cigarette for the next couple of hours makes you want one more.

Yes I am the same, I think the fear of not getting one for hours would make me pack them in.

I hope I didn't come across as thinking that I thought that nicotine was not addictive? Just meant I also felt, through my experience the other day, that the other chemicals where just as addictive, it made me wonder if no more than the actual nicotine.

I

Don't think anyone's arguing that nicotine is not addictive, but there are different levels of adiction obviously, this is a good piece that shows how far tobbaco companies go to increase the level of addiction

Freebasing Nicotine With Ammonia:

Tobacco companies discovered that adding ammonia to the cigarette manufacturing process helps convert bound nicotine molecules in tobacco smoke into free nicotine molecules. This process is known as "freebasing." Similar to the chemical process of freebasing cocaine, the end result is an enhanced effect of the drug on the user.
The Organoleptic Effect:

Organoleptic is a word used to define those qualities in a product that appeal to one's senses -- that of taste, odor and feel, for instance. Tobacco manufacturers use this term to describe the effect of free nicotine on smokers. Lorillard Tobacco Company documents from the 1970s suggest that research on treating tobacco with ammonia became an interest when low-tar cigarettes were introduced to the market. It was found that nicotine levels fell right along with the tar content in low-tar cigarettes, diminishing the organoleptic effect for the smoker.
It's All About Customer Satisfaction:

Enhancing the nicotine kick smokers receive when lighting up through the use of ammonia in tobacco processing is said to increase smoking satisfaction. One might argue that freebasing nicotine with ammonia only leads to a more intensely addictive nicotine experience for the seasoned smoker and a quicker road to addiction for the new smoker.

Apparently "freebasing" enables the nicotine to be absorbed a lot quicker into the bloodstream, some estimates suggest that this can make nicotine up to 35 times more additive

Now when all this came to light in an American lawsuit in the 90's the tobacco companies said they only added ammonia as a flavour enhancer . . . .

so if MHRA & the EU get their way & flavours in e-cigs are restricted, how long do you think it will be before big tobacco, & probably big pharma start adding ammonia to their brand of e-cigs to "ahem" enhance the flavour. . . . . . . . . . just a thought.

[siffy]

Oh I dread to think!

Thanks for the piece you supplied too, finding it both very educational and interesting.

[rich64]

Jun 20, 2013 14:18:11 GMT siffy said:

Jun 20, 2013 12:31:54 GMT rich64 said:

Id agree with your points dragon
my job does nt allow smoking and "nipping off for a fag break " is kind of frowned upon.
But going to the toilet is nt and a few draws on a PV soon sort out any nicotine craving.

I find because i now vape and its much more accessible as and when i want a nicotine hit it really does nt bother me so much and can go longer without with no effects of wanting / needing nicotine.

Im in the camp that nicotine is addictive (and probably some of the cigarette chemicals also) but alot of the craving id loosely describe as panic(fear of not getting a cigarette for the next couple of hours makes you want one more.

Yes I am the same, I think the fear of not getting one for hours would make me pack them in.

I hope I didn't come across as thinking that I thought that nicotine was not addictive? Just meant I also felt, through my experience the other day, that the other chemicals where just as addictive, it made me wonder if no more than the actual nicotine.

Not at all
Its going to be different for all opf us i guess(some people i know have stopped smoking just because they decided to with very little negative effect and others (like me) were almost afraid of stopping ..... so stumbling on vaping has been a god send for me

cheers