Upset, angry, confused?

[Jen]

Jul 3, 2013 20:56:48 GMT sammy13 said:

I've looked it up and this is the programme, and this is the inhalator.
smokefree.nhs.uk/ways-to-quit/patches-gum-and-nicotine-replacement-therapy/

Hang on a minute!!!

Is taking nicotine replacement therapy safe?

Some people think that using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) is just swapping one addiction for another. But this isn't true. NRT does not contain tar, poisons or carbon monoxide like cigarettes do, so its very unlikely to cause cancer. It is absorbed into your body in a different way to the nicotine absorbed from cigarettes, and it is very much less addictive.

Your consultant was full of the brown stuff and contradicting her own programme!!

[Jen]

Oh, and even the Champix patient information document mentions suicidal thoughts (along with an entire half a page of other possible side effects), so asking about it should not have been met with any kind of dismissal.

Grrr!

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After looking at that link, this really stood out....

"Is taking nicotine replacement therapy safe?

Some people think that using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) is just swapping one addiction for another. But this isn't true. NRT does not contain tar, poisons or carbon monoxide like cigarettes do, so its very unlikely to cause cancer. It is absorbed into your body in a different way to the nicotine absorbed from cigarettes, and it is very much less addictive."

Mmmmmmm.....yes, right & that applies to vaping too, but vaping costs less & actually works!


ETA: Jen got in first, as I stuttered. lol

[Jen]

Jul 3, 2013 21:07:16 GMT jess said:

After looking at that link, this really stood out....

"Is taking nicotine replacement therapy safe?

Some people think that using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) is just swapping one addiction for another. But this isn't true. NRT does not contain tar, poisons or carbon monoxide like cigarettes do, so its very unlikely to cause cancer. It is absorbed into your body in a different way to the nicotine absorbed from cigarettes, and it is very much less addictive."

Mmmmmmm.....yes, right & that applies to vaping too, but vaping costs less & actually works!


ETA: Jen got in first, as I stuttered. lol

'Lightening Fingers' Jen strikes again

I'm sorry, but that really made me just a teensy bit annoyed. They're going on about e-cigs just replacing addiction when they're pushing the exact same premise on their own government approved website!! Outrageous!!

Bet those impressionable kids will be after them next as clearly this stuff renormalises smoking what with all that hand-to-mouth action!

Is it really just the smoke/vapour these people object to??

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Yep, you're too quick, Mrs!

I read that & saw red, it really is incredible. Plus with the pathetic person that Sammy had to put up with today, who actually knows nowt & has probably never smoked, it is totally ridiculous.

[Jen]

It's enough to raise your blood pressure! I need a nice relaxing apple pie vape

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Jul 3, 2013 21:01:11 GMT Jen said:

Jul 3, 2013 20:56:48 GMT sammy13 said:

I've looked it up and this is the programme, and this is the inhalator.
smokefree.nhs.uk/ways-to-quit/patches-gum-and-nicotine-replacement-therapy/

Hang on a minute!!!

Is taking nicotine replacement therapy safe?

Some people think that using Nicotine Replacement Therapy (NRT) is just swapping one addiction for another. But this isn't true. NRT does not contain tar, poisons or carbon monoxide like cigarettes do, so its very unlikely to cause cancer. It is absorbed into your body in a different way to the nicotine absorbed from cigarettes, and it is very much less addictive.

Your consultant was full of the brown stuff and contradicting her own programme!!

Exactly, it all comes down to the cha-ching, pharma isn't getting their cut and they don't like it haha.

I thought i'd expand my post from earlier regarding the quickmist inhaler using the same method the media uses (ie. PG being anti freeze)

Quickmist Ingredients 

Propylene glycol -We know this one..


Anhydrous ethanol - Anhydrous ethanol is one of the biofuels produced today and it is a subset of renewable energy.


Trometamol - Commonly used in pain killers, also used as a primary standard to standardize acid solutions for chemical analysis


Poloxamer 407 - Widely used in cosmetics for dissolving oily ingredients in water. It can also be found in multi-purpose contact lens cleaning solutions


Glycerol - We know this one


Sodium hydrogen carbonate - related names such as baking soda, bread soda, cooking soda, and bicarbonate of soda


Levomenthol - has cooling and pain-relieving properties. can cause bad side effects

Mint flavour - flavouring
Cooling flavour - flavouring
Sucralose - sweetner
Acesulfame potassium - sweetner


Hydrochloric acid - It is a highly corrosive, strong mineral acid with many industrial uses. Hydrochloric acid is found naturally in gastric acid (fancy inhaling stomach acid?)


Purified water - water.


As we can see, some potentially horrific ingredients if you leave certain aspects out of a description, especially if you look at the fact you are inhaling a substance used as a bio-fuel used for renewable energy.

[Perpetua]

I've just caught up with your thread as well Sammy . . . and it's a massive +1 to what everyone has said on it.

The best thing you can do, is to never go back to this Smoking Cessation Clinic and have what you've achieved belittled and demeaned by someone who clearly knows nothing about vaping.

Please, do not let this experience upset you.

[Raffles]

Can't add to the excellent replies you've already had sammy13... I agree with them all.

Just remember there's only one opinion that counts, and that is YOURS! Especially if the other opinions you're getting are coming from an unqualified person. You know how you feel... do you feel better for vaping? If so, then carry on and don't be browbeaten into what the 'establishment' want you to use, as there's growing evidence they're talking through the wrong part of their anatomy.

Well done on your journey so far.

[Jen]

Actually, I'd be tempted to go back in whenever your next appointment is and ask her to explain in detail how precisely vaping differs from NRT given what's on their own website and that e-juice has fewer ingredients than NRT!

Warpath!

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Jul 3, 2013 21:50:32 GMT Jen said:

Actually, I'd be tempted to go back in whenever your next appointment is and ask her to explain in detail how precisely vaping differs from NRT given what's on their own website and that e-juice has fewer ingredients than NRT!

Warpath!

Indeed! 

[Jen]

I'm so annoyed I've got myself a new smiley!

>>>

That'll show 'em!

[Chrissie]

I've not really got anything to add to all of the brilliant replies to this thread - kudos to Sammy & all of you plus a big group hug

Above all Sammy, don't forget that the smoking cessation clinics are funded by the drug companies.

Plus the drug company reps constantly bribe GP's etc to promote (push) their drugs like Champix for instance I've been vaping for almost 5 years & never heard of anyone having either suicidal or homicidal side effects from vaping - unlike all of the reports from so many that have been given Champix!

[sammy13]

I have been reading through the link I posted.
I was gobsmacked when I read the part that says it is not true about swapping one addiction for another because that was exactly what she said I had done.
Now the girl was very young, and obviously hasn't ever smoked herself, but she has just told me the opposite of what it says on their website.
I also understand she has a job to do and targets to meet, but I got the feeling she wanted to push certain products.
She showed me a card with them all on.
She discounted zyban immediately saying she has never had anyone use zyban as it is really an anti-depressant.
She was really pushing champix, took an empty pack out and showed me how you take it, and laughed about the side effects saying people find them amusing, and they can easily be overcome . She was adamant there are no worse side effects than dreams and sickness .
All the rest she only briefly mentioned. I said the only one that I could consider was the inhalator but she couldn't tell me anything about it.
It tells you about it on the website so why doesn't she know this at least?
Also she said some people use 2 or more nrt devices to help them stop, but I can not use the inhalator if I am vaping ?

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Jul 3, 2013 22:09:53 GMT Chrissie said:

I've not really got anything to add to all of the brilliant replies to this thread - kudos to Sammy & all of you plus a big group hug

Above all Sammy, don't forget that the smoking cessation clinics are funded by the drug companies.

Plus the drug company reps constantly bribe GP's etc to promote (push) their drugs like Champix for instance I've been vaping for almost 5 years & never heard of anyone having either suicidal or homicidal side effects from vaping - unlike all of the reports from so many that have been given Champix!

Vaping doesn't appear to cause suicidal thoughts because if they did, i'd suffer with it greatly, i suffer with severe depression which got amplified 10 fold with Champix, i still can't believe they prescribed them to me, if i wasn't fully aware of my condition and didn't have a handle on it like i do now after years of treatment, it could of easily ended in another hospital trip which happened several times in the past.