Problem Atomisers

[Super-Shiny]

Dec 30, 2013 0:56:56 GMT boyofford said:

Dec 29, 2013 21:46:49 GMT Super-Shiny said:

This : allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/22461/evod-protank-tips-tricks

And

This: allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/32391/microcoil-cotton-guide

Problem solved

I  already have a growing mound of coils that really should have a look at doing this, especially if can be better than stock!

It will save you fortunes in money and stop leaks, what more can you ask for

[chris86]

Dec 30, 2013 0:58:54 GMT Super-Shiny said:

Dec 30, 2013 0:56:56 GMT boyofford said:

I  already have a growing mound of coils that really should have a look at doing this, especially if can be better than stock!

It will save you fortunes in money and stop leaks, what more can you ask for

A service that does it for you, for those of us who don't have the time, patience or dexterity to build our own coils? 

[GunJack]

Dec 30, 2013 1:01:33 GMT chris86 said:

Dec 30, 2013 0:58:54 GMT Super-Shiny said:

It will save you fortunes in money and stop leaks, what more can you ask for

A service that does it for you, for those of us who don't have the time, patience or dexterity to build our own coils? 

seconded, thirded and fourthed

[a1laserboy]

Kayfun 3.1 - The o-ring that seals the top of the chimney to the top cap kept stretching due to my juice so I don't use it any more. Same goes for my mister v2. Both amazing devices, but don't work for me with the juice I use

Now I just drip. Nice and simple.


p.s. anyone wanna buy a kayfun 3.1 or mister v2 limited edition full kit?

[seniorphil]

Dec 30, 2013 1:01:33 GMT chris86 said:

Dec 30, 2013 0:58:54 GMT Super-Shiny said:

It will save you fortunes in money and stop leaks, what more can you ask for

A service that does it for you, for those of us who don't have the time, patience or dexterity to build our own coils? 

I am doing that for fellow members at our January meet, alas in London. It also serves as a live tutorial to convert the world to the ways of shiny .
Others did the same for me back in September, and I did my first rebuild the following morning.

[chris86]

Dec 30, 2013 1:49:12 GMT seniorphil said:

Dec 30, 2013 1:01:33 GMT chris86 said:

A service that does it for you, for those of us who don't have the time, patience or dexterity to build our own coils? 

I am doing that for fellow members at our January meet, alas in London. It also serves as a live tutorial to convert the world to the ways of shiny .
Others did the same for me back in September, and I did my first rebuild the following morning.

That's a very kind and helpful thing to do, but I feel that it doesn't quite get to the root of the problem, which is that most high-end vaping gear has a steep learning curve and requires a fair bit of effort to master. I think that this is really holding us back, because while some people enjoy fiddling with things, there are many others who don't.  

A cigarette is an incredibly simple device. You just stick it in your mouth, light it and inhale - it works every time. And that remains the case whether you're smoking a cheap roll-up or an expensive luxury brand. In my opinion, the world of vaping should aim to make products that are equally reliable and user-friendly. But every clearomizer I've ever used has had problems to some extent, whether it's dry hits, leaking or gurgling. Some are better than others, but none are 100% reliable. Cartomizers are no better because they're fiddly to fill and start to taste horrible very quickly, plus the pre-filled ones are expensive, with a limited range of flavours.  

I've no doubt that rebuildables are more reliable, but they don't solve the basic problem. Smoking offers immediate gratification, and that's what I want from vaping. I just want something that works every time with little or no effort, and rebuildables don't provide that. I really enjoy the experience of vaping and trying out new flavours, but I find the lack of a simple, reliable, faff-free atty with pre-made coils and wicks incredibly frustrating. 
Ok, rant over. I'm going to suck on my gurgly leaky clearo and flounce off to bed now!  

[a1laserboy]

'A cigarette is an incredibly simple device. You just stick it in your mouth, light it and inhale - it works every time. And that remains the case whether you're smoking a cheap roll-up or an expensive luxury brand. '

not really, if you can't roll a roll-up, you can't smoke it. It's a learning curve to be able to make a rolly. Then it takes experience and practice to make one that smokes how you want it to, and evenly throughout. I haven't smoked a spl@@f for over 10 years, but i could still roll a 5 paper one.

There are plenty of vaping things that need very little messing with and they satisfy a great deal of people, but perhaps they aren't as reliable as the simple cigarette that multi million pound corporations have been working on for decades.

If you aren't satisfied with what you have and aren't prepared to keep trying because you think going back to tobacco is better, then just go back to it and quit bitching about it.

meh.

[gapy360]

I had the protank 1 and never had any issues with the stock heads or my recoiled ones.
Been using an aspire for the last week and a bit and haven't had any issues, it's been simple all the way. Actually 1 minor issue had a slight gurgle caused by a bit of juice beneath the drip tip, just used a bit of kitchen roll and has been fine again. Very simple piece of kit

[chris86]

Dec 30, 2013 2:43:00 GMT a1laserboy said:

'A cigarette is an incredibly simple device. You just stick it in your mouth, light it and inhale - it works every time. And that remains the case whether you're smoking a cheap roll-up or an expensive luxury brand. '

not really, if you can't roll a roll-up, you can't smoke it. It's a learning curve to be able to make a rolly. Then it takes experience and practice to make one that smokes how you want it to, and evenly throughout. I haven't smoked a spl@@f for over 10 years, but i could still roll a 5 paper one.

There are plenty of vaping things that need very little messing with and they satisfy a great deal of people, but perhaps they aren't as reliable as the simple cigarette that multi million pound corporations have been working on for decades.

If you aren't satisfied with what you have and aren't prepared to keep trying because you think going back to tobacco is better, then just go back to it and quit bitching about it.

meh.

I still haven’t gone to bed (bloody insomnia!), so I’ll bite.


Ok, maybe my rollup example wasn’t the best, ‘cos they do take some effort to master. But I think that my point still stands. Smokers have the choice of either buying rolling tobacco or pre-made cigarettes. Both do the same job equally well. And the option that takes more effort costs less than the easier option, which seems to make sense.


Vapers also have the choice of either buying a product that is simple to use (clearos / cartos) or one that takes more effort to learn (RBA’s). But they don’t do the same job equally well. And bizarrely, the option that tends to be more expensive is the one that requires more effort and skill.


The reason that I think it’s important to demand more reliable and simple products is because there are a lot of people who just aren’t interested in fiddling with wicks and coils, but who want a decent, consistent vape. But it seems that the higher end of the market isn’t trying to target these people, so they end up stuck with crappy gear. As I see it, more high-end manufacturers should have the average smoker or new vaper as their target market, because that way we’ll have more consistent and easy to use products, which will attract more new vapers and help the community to grow.


Maybe you’re the kind of person who likes to learn to roll a 5-paper spl@@f or build the perfect coil – and that’s perfectly fine. But not everyone is like that. When I smoked, I preferred ready-made cigarettes and only bought rolling tobacco when money was tight. I didn’t spend ages perfecting my technique in order to produce the perfect roll-up because there were other things that I’d rather spend my time doing. As long as it smoked, I was happy. The same applies to vaping for me. I’m not looking for vaping nirvana– just something that works consistently with the minimum of effort. And I’m sure I’m not alone in thinking like this.


Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy vaping and have no intention of going back to the stinkies. The health benefits alone are a good enough reason to stop me doing that. But it is frustrating to be faced with the choice of either having to put up with unreliable devices, or devoting time and effort to do fiddly tasks that you find tricky and annoying. I’m sure that a lot of people would be happy to pay a fair bit of money for a ‘high-end’ reliable, user-friendly atty with pre-made coil heads, but the manufacturers will only make them if we kick up a fuss and show that there’s a market for them. So that’s what I’m doing.

[chris86]

Dec 30, 2013 3:10:54 GMT gapy360 said:

I had the protank 1 and never had any issues with the stock heads or my recoiled ones.
Been using an aspire for the last week and a bit and haven't had any issues, it's been simple all the way. Actually 1 minor issue had a slight gurgle caused by a bit of juice beneath the drip tip, just used a bit of kitchen roll and has been fine again. Very simple piece of kit

Maybe I've been unlucky, but every clearo I've used has had problems of one kind or another. The bottom-coil ones have tended to leak or gurgle about two thirds of the way down and the top coil ones taste burnt when they aren't full enough.The Davide is the best I've used so far, but it still leaks from time to time. But maybe things are getting better, and one we'll day have clearos that vape as well as a high-end RBA. 

[enjay]

In my case it was a brand new pro tank 2 in it's box, used the coil that came with it and everything, all seals are there. First was a little dribble when it was on it's side so I thought maybe you're not meant to leave them on their side, next I got a gob full of juice which is pretty disgusting then I left the mvp sitting upright and it started vaping all by itself and that's when I discovered it had filled the mvp with juice. No idea why yet, tightened it all up in a manly fashion too.

[VE Jason]

Dec 30, 2013 4:05:01 GMT enjay said:

In my case it was a brand new pro tank 2 in it's box, used the coil that came with it and everything, all seals are there. First was a little dribble when it was on it's side so I thought maybe you're not meant to leave them on their side, next I got a gob full of juice which is pretty disgusting then I left the mvp sitting upright and it started vaping all by itself and that's when I discovered it had filled the mvp with juice. No idea why yet, tightened it all up in a manly fashion too.

It's likely to be the 'tightening it up in a manly fashion' that caused your problems Enjay

It's a fine balance with the Protanks...too loose and they leak, too tight and you squash the small grommets causing either a leak or restricted draw.

The vaping by itself is also caused by over tightening.

[Deleted]

To all those who don't have the time or can't be ar$ed or simply don't have the dexterity to recoil and set up an RBA .... buy either an Aspire or one of the Innokin iClears and simply change the head at least every two weeks ... it really doesn't get any easier to achieve a consistent, leak, gurgle and dry hit free vape than that .... if even that is too much effort, then I'm sorry to say it but vaping is not for you.

[GunJack]

Dec 30, 2013 8:18:39 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

To all those who don't have the time or can't be ar$ed or simply don't have the dexterity to recoil and set up an RBA .... buy either an Aspire or one of the Innokin iClears and simply change the head at least every two weeks ... it really doesn't get any easier to achieve a consistent, leak, gurgle and dry hit free vape than that .... if even that is too much effort, then I'm sorry to say it but vaping is not for you.

hmmm....I just gave away 5 iClear16s 'coz I couldn't get them to work properly, and I SOOO wanted them to, as when they did work correctly they were a great vape. But, leaks, wicking issues and dry hits put me right off. Using Protank-II and evod now, but really prefer the vape from a top-coil

[Perpetua]

Dec 30, 2013 8:54:31 GMT GunJack said:

Dec 30, 2013 8:18:39 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

To all those who don't have the time or can't be ar$ed or simply don't have the dexterity to recoil and set up an RBA .... buy either an Aspire or one of the Innokin iClears and simply change the head at least every two weeks ... it really doesn't get any easier to achieve a consistent, leak, gurgle and dry hit free vape than that .... if even that is too much effort, then I'm sorry to say it but vaping is not for you.

hmmm....I just gave away 5 iClear16s 'coz I couldn't get them to work properly, and I SOOO wanted them to, as when they did work correctly they were a great vape. But, leaks, wicking issues and dry hits put me right off. Using Protank-II and evod now, but really prefer the vape from a top-coil

I don't understand that GJ . . . Iclear16's have been the easiest of clearo's I've ever used, the odd swoosh when my VG heavy juice runs low and that's all I do to them.

On a Spinner or Twist at a relatively low voltage, it's my go to work set up.