BBC & Guardian on new ASH rprt, no gatway & 2 million vapers

[VapingBad]

E-cigarette users in UK have 'tripled' since 2010

Smoking rate fall

Deborah Arnott, chief executive of Ash, said: "The dramatic rise in use of electronic cigarettes over the past four years suggests that smokers are increasingly turning to these devices to help them cut down or quit smoking. Significantly, usage among non-smokers remains negligible."

VTTV best them to the scoop.

Guardian artical on the same

[halight]

There has just been a bit on BBC breakfast about it.

They did one of those carbon dioxide tests.

Before man scored a 4 lady said that's what they would get from someone who they classed as a non smoker

Next the man smoked an e-cig (Looked like some sort of mod) the man also scored a 4. lady said it was the same as a non smoker

The man next smoked on a real Cig. Man scored a 10. Lady said that is the sort of score that a smoker would have.

They had a man on saying that if we bad e-cigs then all we will be doing to condemning to death a lot of people who would have lived had they been allowed to use e-cigs. He said something like 60% of people who tried to give up using some sort of e-cig had been able to keep off them long term.

The pice did not put over that they were safe. Nor did it put over that they were unsafe. But It did try to say that they were the lesser of two evils , Well that;s what I took from it anyway.

[Clivia]

thanks VapingBad - finally something good about vaping - maybe we should show them this poll

[halight]

Coming back on bbc breakfast again soon if anyone whats to see it

[GunJack]

Debbie Arnott of ASH UK just been on LBC radio bigging up e-cigs, and also (a pet hate of mine) saying the biggest mistake was calling them "cigs" in the first place, but VERY VERY POSITIVE

[Perpetua]

Watching it now . . . at least there are some sensible voices of reason for a change. What I've not seen mention of yet, is the use of ecigs for those of us who never wanted nor have the intention of ' quitting ' nicotine.

Long term use of our devices was always my intention.

[halight]

Apr 28, 2014 6:26:20 GMT Perpetua said:

Watching it now . . . at least there are some sensible voices of reason for a change. What I've not seen mention of yet, is the use of ecigs for those of us who never wanted nor have the intention of ' quitting ' nicotine.

Long term use of our devices was always my intention.

I will admit it's My Intention too 

[fiddles]

Apr 28, 2014 5:45:09 GMT halight said:

There has just been a bit on BBC breakfast about it.

They did one of those carbon dioxide tests.

Before man scored a 4 lady said that's what they would get from someone who they classed as a non smoker

Next the man smoked an e-cig (Looked like some sort of mod) the man also scored a 4. lady said it was the same as a non smoker

The man next smoked on a real Cig. Man scored a 10. Lady said that is the sort of score that a smoker would have.

They had a man on saying that if we bad e-cigs then all we will be doing to condemning to death a lot of people who would have lived had they been allowed to use e-cigs. He said something like 60% of people who tried to give up using some sort of e-cig had been able to keep off them long term.

The pice did not put over that they were safe. Nor did it put over that they were unsafe. But It did try to say that they were the lesser of two evils , Well that;s what I took from it anyway.

It sounds like the same clip they have on BBC News site for anyone else who wants to see it www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27184630

[padiho]

Apr 28, 2014 6:26:20 GMT Perpetua said:

Watching it now . . . at least there are some sensible voices of reason for a change. What I've not seen mention of yet, is the use of ecigs for those of us who never wanted nor have the intention of ' quitting ' nicotine.

Long term use of our devices was always my intention.

Mine too but at least a positive report for a change

[robby]

The vaping community is turning into a big voting block and it will continue to grow and have greater influence. 2 million vapers/voters is a very large lobby. No party, no matter how big can ignore that any more.

[lemental]

Apr 28, 2014 6:04:15 GMT GunJack said:

Debbie Arnott of ASH UK just been on LBC radio bigging up e-cigs, and also (a pet hate of mine) saying the biggest mistake was calling them "cigs" in the first place, but VERY VERY POSITIVE

Got a hectic day today but when I get time, I'll get the podcast, edit the unrelated and upload the interview.  I'm assuming it's on Nick Ferrari's programme.

[GunJack]

Apr 28, 2014 7:40:27 GMT lemental said:

Apr 28, 2014 6:04:15 GMT GunJack said:

Debbie Arnott of ASH UK just been on LBC radio bigging up e-cigs, and also (a pet hate of mine) saying the biggest mistake was calling them "cigs" in the first place, but VERY VERY POSITIVE

Got a hectic day today but when I get time, I'll get the podcast, edit the unrelated and upload the interview.  I'm assuming it's on Nick Ferrari's programme.

yes it was, still listening to see if it's on later

[markm]

Apr 28, 2014 7:14:43 GMT fiddles said:

Apr 28, 2014 5:45:09 GMT halight said:

There has just been a bit on BBC breakfast about it.

They did one of those carbon dioxide tests.

Before man scored a 4 lady said that's what they would get from someone who they classed as a non smoker

Next the man smoked an e-cig (Looked like some sort of mod) the man also scored a 4. lady said it was the same as a non smoker

The man next smoked on a real Cig. Man scored a 10. Lady said that is the sort of score that a smoker would have.

They had a man on saying that if we bad e-cigs then all we will be doing to condemning to death a lot of people who would have lived had they been allowed to use e-cigs. He said something like 60% of people who tried to give up using some sort of e-cig had been able to keep off them long term.

The pice did not put over that they were safe. Nor did it put over that they were unsafe. But It did try to say that they were the lesser of two evils , Well that;s what I took from it anyway.

It sounds like the same clip they have on BBC News site for anyone else who wants to see it www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27184630

Its interesting that none of the normal Antz groups were available in person - leaving the reporter to put

the BMA/WHO viewpoint.

Are they scared, keeping a low profile, or just busy plotting in Smokey rooms? 

[lemental]

Apr 28, 2014 7:45:07 GMT GunJack said:

Apr 28, 2014 7:40:27 GMT lemental said:

Got a hectic day today but when I get time, I'll get the podcast, edit the unrelated and upload the interview.  I'm assuming it's on Nick Ferrari's programme.

yes it was, still listening to see if it's on later

Was it just her interview or was there some discussion on vaping?

[Karma]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-27161965