This is the future, and I want to cry.

[decoy]

ioh well they had to find a way to roll us over
seems like we gona be well and truly rolled

on a side note do this meen if i get stopped in the sreet with my kato and rose they will take it off me

[Deleted]

Oct 11, 2014 17:40:27 GMT decoy said:

ioh well they had to find a way to roll us over
seems like we gona be well and truly rolled

on a side note do this meen if i get stopped in the sreet with my kato and rose they will take it off me

Dunno, but I hope they don't make you cover those sexy knees

[davetherayon]

It's only the future if you give up and roll over like a good little supplicant. Plenty of time to campaign against TPD implementation, stash up, and get a private network going of vapers if the worst came to it (using technology available to us right now... like the dark net).

[Greg]

Oct 11, 2014 17:24:45 GMT tomj777 said:

Oct 11, 2014 17:14:25 GMT Marcus said:

Surely If this does come in to play it won't affect people who mix their own?
Surely they can't ban the sale of nicotine concentrate.. Its used for many other things and if it did get banned there is always the option to import! Kinda how it is on Australia, you can buy eliquid but they are usually double strength as nicotine sales is prohibited and you buy 15ml in a 30ml bottle then top it up with half the nicotine and you have 30ml of juice. This is pretty much the standard way it's done in Australia.

And if it came down to it I would wean myself off the nicotine and just Vape 0mg,"e-shisha" as they call it

And surely it won't affect hardware either?

 Oh Marcus,

#TPD includes 0 Nic. 
#TPD bans any e-liquid great than 2% concentration unless it's sold through the medical route. 
#TPD bans sale of e-liquid in containers greater than 10ml
#TPD bans any device that has the potential to leak (including time of refill)
#TPD regulatory demands (in excess of £100K per product / product variation, be it eliquid or hardware, and yes that does take out VV batteries without defined steps) will take out all small / medium businesses
#TPD bans cross boarder sales
#TPD bans discussion (here)

Google is your despair.

Suggest you start with Clive Bates blog

Specifically www.clivebates.com/?p=1747#more-1747

I'm so very sorry.

I think you'll find this is incorrect, but it is a little hidden. Something to do with for profit. Can't remember the word used but Clive B explains it far better than I ever could 

[djs]

Oct 11, 2014 16:54:52 GMT toots said:

Also don't forget that Totally Wicked are challenging the TPD in 2015 through the EU courts let's hope they are successful

Yes, let's hope so.

[djs]

Oct 11, 2014 17:58:44 GMT davetherayon said:

It's only the future if you give up and roll over like a good little supplicant.

I was kid of referring to newbies.

As long as liquid is available, we'll be OK. They can't prosecute people for using a Kayfun exactly, can they?

Actually, RBAs (new ones) could become like gold dust....

better buy a few more...

[redz]

At least we have time to stock up. Just calculated that if I vaped 30ml of 12mg strength juice a week then 5 litres of 72mg nic base should last me around 20 years.

[davetherayon]

New folks still have the ability to use the internet, like us Start with a cigalike and think 'this sucks, too expensive and ineffectual, what else is there?' and before you know what's what they're posting on AAEC

[Greg]

Oct 11, 2014 18:43:24 GMT davetherayon said:

New folks still have the ability to use the internet, like us Start with a cigalike and think 'this sucks, too expensive and ineffectual, what else is there?' and before you know what's what they're posting on AAEC

I think some are inferring that option won't be be available in 2016.

[davetherayon]

That's what opposing TPD is about. Restraint of trade, equation of vaping with smoking, unequal treatment with it. There's so many holes in TPD it's a swiss cheese.

[wil7985]

Feel quite depressed now, after reading this.

[flavourtank]

TPD = THE PENIS DEPARTMENT

[djs]

Oct 11, 2014 18:43:24 GMT davetherayon said:

New folks still have the ability to use the internet, like us Start with a cigalike and think 'this sucks, too expensive and ineffectual, what else is there?' and before you know what's what they're posting on AAEC

I do hope so.

[Bob]

What are you all worrying about, it just means that thousands more of us will be breaking the law by buying through the black market, and do you really think the Police are going to give a s**t, half of them probably vape or smoke as well.

[tomj777]

This is what the European Citizens Initiative is / was about... ( www.efvi.eu/ )

Looks like we will be nowhere near the target to formally challenge through that route (like my sig says).

I think the best shot for all this is the sheer volume of people using these products.

Hardware - my understanding is what we have we can use.

Greg - please correct me where I've got it wrong (not terribly well right now, mind is a little, err, chaotic in a slovenly way, I will have made mistakes).