This is the future, and I want to cry.

[Montana]

I'm very sorry , but I think I may upset a few here, but here it is.

I find it very sad that people , especially from this kind of forum , are just rolling over in defeat already , harsh as it maybe, but still true.I HAVE NOT gone through 30+ years of smoking , changed to vaping for my own and my families health , just to have some moron in a suit that has a vested interest in BT or Pharma (or government propaganda ) BRIBE  governments worldwide to get these products either heavily taxed , reduce use or totally banned.Sorry Mr/Mrs governments of the world but where are the equivalent restrictions on cigarettes ?? , Oh yes , that's right , you won't do that because it will either restrict the tax coming in , or your profit margin at the bottom of a spreadsheet.

One thing that bothers me about the TPD , is why E-cigs are even put in the TPD in the first place.Since when has PG , VG , nicotine and flavourings been ANYTHING to do with tobacco.I don't see cigarette papers , filters and lighters put in to the TPD , so why should these ??

IF , I had the time and money ( read as, any money at all ) I would be full on to all about why we are being persecuted , victimized or discriminated against. It seems as though ANYONE ELSE that cries discrimination gets left alone just in case we upset them , but when it comes to money and the bribery and corruption that surrounds this topic and becomes a very different tale. 

As I said at the beginning , I'm truly sorry if I've upset anyone , but I truly believe that if we don't stand up for ourselves and continue to give PROOF that we have already given on how much safer these products are then we are indeed doomed.In no way , shape or form has the fat lady started to sing and if we carry on in this type of manner we get what we deserve and get trodden all over , but that's NOT for me.



Andy



 

[Greg]

Oct 12, 2014 18:25:54 GMT Montana said:

I'm very sorry , but I think I may upset a few here, but here it is.

I find it very sad that people , especially from this kind of forum , are just rolling over in defeat already , harsh as it maybe, but still true.I HAVE NOT gone through 30+ years of smoking , changed to vaping for my own and my families health , just to have some moron in a suit that has a vested interest in BT or Pharma (or government propaganda ) BRIBE  governments worldwide to get these products either heavily taxed , reduce use or totally banned.Sorry Mr/Mrs governments of the world but where are the equivalent restrictions on cigarettes ?? , Oh yes , that's right , you won't do that because it will either restrict the tax coming in , or your profit margin at the bottom of a spreadsheet.

One thing that bothers me about the TPD , is why E-cigs are even put in the TPD in the first place.Since when has PG , VG , nicotine and flavourings been ANYTHING to do with tobacco.I don't see cigarette papers , filters and lighters put in to the TPD , so why should these ??

IF , I had the time and money ( read as, any money at all ) I would be full on to all about why we are being persecuted , victimized or discriminated against. It seems as though ANYONE ELSE that cries discrimination gets left alone just in case we upset them , but when it comes to money and the bribery and corruption that surrounds this topic and becomes a very different tale. 

As I said at the beginning , I'm truly sorry if I've upset anyone , but I truly believe that if we don't stand up for ourselves and continue to give PROOF that we have already given on how much safer these products are then we are indeed doomed.In no way , shape or form has the fat lady started to sing and if we carry on in this type of manner we get what we deserve and get trodden all over , but that's NOT for me.



Andy



 

Don't know why you think above would upset anyone, it's all makes great sense.
but unfortunately I believe Money will win out and although it's likely those in the know will have ways and means those new to vaping in the future may well not have the benefits of those before.
i don't necessarily think it will be an outright ban, as as long as it's marginalised that will suffice those in charge. 
Its the rapid growth of ecigs and their declining profits from cigs that's got them scared

[buggritt]

Where's the bribery and corruption?

[Montana]

Oct 12, 2014 19:19:04 GMT buggritt said:

Where's the bribery and corruption?

My wife and I worked for the Pharma people for over 2 decades ( not any more ) and there was always OPEN talk of lunches with the likes of buyers all over the country.These lunches consisted of exclusive trips to anywhere they wanted in exchange for stocking their items.Don't get me wrong back in the day , namely the 80's , this was a common practice of virtually large company there was.You're not telling me for one second that people in power didn't also take advantage of things like this.All you have to do is look at the board of directors for these Pharma companies and see how many of them are HUGE donators  to the governments and opposition.
Also look at the recent bad mouthing of the vaping community and their products and the sources of where they have come from.Take the lady who was told by her Pharmacist about the amount she was vaping per day was worse than smoking.It turns out she works for a PR company that has Pharma as it's biggest clients.I'll give you another , how about Professor John Ashton.After losing 2 debates quite badly on BBC Radio he then went on a targeted rant AGAINST vapers and he stepped down , I suspect before he was pushed.This person WAS the President of the Faculty of Public Health and was advising the government on health issues, but totally ignoring the FACTS and figures on E-Cigs.

There are many more that I could mention , but that isn't the point here.The point is standing up for ourselves and for what we all know as RIGHT.


Andy

[Deleted]

F**k em, I'll set a shop up in India and post worldwide.

[igual]

I don't want to sound like I have given up but in all honesty apart from marching in the streets what can we do.
MPs don't listen or they are corrupt the few that do get destroyed useingbthe whip system.
Media is in the pockets of big business/governments.

[TillyFTW]

alright ganstaz

I is rekonin that everyone needz to chill on panic mode, heads beast bulk buying 5000 gallon of nicotine aint gonna win dis war

what we need to do is lay low for a few months then bust out down downing street givin it some some massiv 80's rap, big clock gold teeth pollitcal fuckers wont know what az hit them broz

[TillyFTW]

maybe roll up with a few base ball bats innit, smash some tony blair headz

[Perpetua]

I don't think any of us have ' given up ' as such igual . . . more that we are being realistic as to what the future could hold, should our worst fears be realised.

[Richard46]

Oct 12, 2014 21:03:49 GMT TillyFTW said:

alright ganstaz

I is rekonin that everyone needz to chill on panic mode, heads beast bulk buying 5000 gallon of nicotine aint gonna win dis war

what we need to do is lay low for a few months then bust out down downing street givin it some some massiv 80's rap, big clock gold teeth pollitcal fuckers wont know what az hit them broz

I love de satire

[Greg]

Well I'm so pleased some common sense has entered the discussion innit

[TillyFTW]

I am well happy to have sorted this for everyone Greg

peace

[decoy]

if i set up the monster raving vaping party(basicaly stop all this sillyness)
are you guys gona vote for me

[igual]

As long as you promise to wear them shorts at the election Tease-smiley

[decoy]

well my plans include
legalize cannabis(nice tax on it to help replace the loss from tobacco)
major reforms to benefits(workhouses)
removal of tv licence(they can put adverts on like every one else)
reform of the nhs(less managers more nurses)
review of mp,s wages and restrictions on what they can do when working as an mp(no sitting on board,s ect)
get us the heck outa the eu
bring back the death sentence


im open to any idea's and all the above is changeable at any time(what ever gets me the most votes)