This is the future, and I want to cry.

[Greg]

Hi tomj777, just the bit I highlighted in bold I believe is incorrect, or rather misinterpreted.

Hope your feeling better soon

[tomj777]

I hope you're right, Greg

Article 18 Paragraph 5

5. Member States shall ensure that:

a) commercial communications in information society services, in the press and other printed publications, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers are prohibited, except for publications that are intended exclusively for professionals in the trade of electronic cigarettes or refill containers and for publications which are printed and published in third countries, where those publications are not principally intended for the Union market;

b) commercial communications on the radio, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers, are prohibited;

c) any form of public or private contribution to radio programmes with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers is prohibited;

d) any form of public or private contribution to any event, activity or individual person with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers and involving or taking place in several Member States or otherwise having cross-border effects is prohibited;

e) audiovisual commercial communications to which Directive 2010/13/EU applies, are prohibited for electronic cigarettes and refill containers.

I'm not sure but fear that the advertising seen on this board (any advertising) would constitute as "commercial"

Thanks for your wishes - I will be better soon (always am, which correctly implies the opposite state...)

[robby]

I`ve always bought from China, e liquid as well, I cant see them being able to do anything about that. These things get changed and attitudes will change before anything is done. If you dont like the EEC it is looking more and more likely that there will be a chance to get out of it before long. It`s not all doom and gloom

[Greg]

Oct 12, 2014 8:07:52 GMT tomj777 said:

I hope you're right, Greg

Article 18 Paragraph 5

5. Member States shall ensure that:

a) commercial communications in information society services, in the press and other printed publications, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers are prohibited, except for publications that are intended exclusively for professionals in the trade of electronic cigarettes or refill containers and for publications which are printed and published in third countries, where those publications are not principally intended for the Union market;

b) commercial communications on the radio, with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers, are prohibited;

c) any form of public or private contribution to radio programmes with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers is prohibited;

d) any form of public or private contribution to any event, activity or individual person with the aim or direct or indirect effect of promoting electronic cigarettes and refill containers and involving or taking place in several Member States or otherwise having cross-border effects is prohibited;

e) audiovisual commercial communications to which Directive 2010/13/EU applies, are prohibited for electronic cigarettes and refill containers.

I'm not sure but fear that the advertising seen on this board (any advertising) would constitute as "commercial"

Thanks for your wishes - I will be better soon (always am, which correctly implies the opposite state...)

I was referring to the "no discussion on here" line only rather than commercial advertising.
Aparently contribution approximates commercial. So in every line above you have one of those two words.
i don't think even the EU idiots would try to take away free speech, not that they don't want to of course.

its not about health or a gateway concern. As I've said since I joined here it all about Money

[markm]

Something to keep in mind - although purchasing outside the EU would be prohibited, people find
ways round this for other products to supply a black market.

In this case though, as similar restraints are on the cards throughout Europe AND North America,
with the rest of the world likely to fall into line with those views - Chinese factories will see the market disappear
before their eyes - they will switch to making other products. There is no incentive for them once the market
recedes.

Getting hold of nic base, even on a black market, will be almost as difficult as it is hazardous. As its now
banned in most countries as a pesticide, I cant think of another commercial use other than NRT. Anyone
producing in industrial volumes will be looking for a way out of that business at the moment.
The combination of sky high prices and unknown quality makes me doubt this business model.
Personal stockpiles and rebuildables are just delaying the fateful day for those with the resources to prepare.

There is only one sensible option, don't let the buggers get away with it, fight them on every front.
They are beginning to get the message, we have already won great victories and been rewarded with
more time.
Time is our greatest asset in this battle, each day more smokers join our ranks. Each day
more real evidence supports our cause.

[igual]

Well from what I have come to understand so far the UK has one of the most liberal attitudes to ecigs.
Heck they have just allowed TV advertising of sorts.
Don't get me wrong I'm bloody sure big tobacco/pharma are behind a lot of the TPD when it comes to these dumbass regulations.
I'm still gonna stock up on nic base though
Gonna get 500 mill this week already got 250 in freezer and 50 in use.
Then anouther 500 in January if not a liter.

[igual]

Oct 12, 2014 8:51:22 GMT markm said:

Something to keep in mind - although purchasing outside the EU would be prohibited, people find
ways round this for other products to supply a black market.

In this case though, as similar restraints are on the cards throughout Europe AND North America,
with the rest of the world likely to fall into line with those views - Chinese factories will see the market disappear
before their eyes - they will switch to making other products. There is no incentive for them once the market
recedes.

Getting hold of nic base, even on a black market, will be almost as difficult as it is hazardous. As its now
banned in most countries as a pesticide, I cant think of another commercial use other than NRT. Anyone
producing in industrial volumes will be looking for a way out of that business at the moment.
The combination of sky high prices and unknown quality makes me doubt this business model.
Personal stockpiles and rebuildables are just delaying the fateful day for those with the resources to prepare.

There is only one sensible option, don't let the buggers get away with it, fight them on every front.
They are beginning to get the message, we have already won great victories and been rewarded with
more time.
Time is our greatest asset in this battle, each day more smokers join our ranks. Each day
more real evidence supports our cause.

I reckon we should set up the aaec political party
Chrissie for pm ronaldo as head of custard affairs, chykensa as head of education, I'll be head of food n drink . Well renationalise the post office n put brend in charge. Who else fancies a job
Sorry I've been up all night with little one ( I need sleep )

[markm]

Oct 12, 2014 8:57:12 GMT igual said:

Well from what I have come to understand so far the UK has one of the most liberal attitudes to ecigs.
Heck they have just allowed TV advertising of sorts.
Don't get me wrong I'm bloody sure big tobacco/pharma are behind a lot of the TPD when it comes to these dumbass regulations.
I'm still gonna stock up on nic base though
Gonna get 500 mill this week already got 250 in freezer and 50 in use.
Then anouther 500 in January if not a liter.

Yes we are getting the truth to be heard, but that still hasn't stopped the TPD in its tracks, its
still steaming down the line straight for us - and the rest of Europe who are less informed.
At the moment we have both the TPD and WHO out to eradicate ENDS (and FDA over the water)
left to their own devices the future of vaping is very limited.

The recent rules on advertising are only covering the period prior to implementation of the TPD,
which will then remove all advertising again. Yes it was a major victory, but the clock is still ticking.

[toots]

Doomed, we're all doomed - exterminate   exterminate   exterminate



Exterminate the whole world - it's all shite

[smarties]

Doomed, we're all doomed - exterminate exterminate exterminate







Exterminate the whole world - it's all shite

[Greg]

Oct 12, 2014 8:51:22 GMT markm said:

Something to keep in mind - although purchasing outside the EU would be prohibited, people find
ways round this for other products to supply a black market.

In this case though, as similar restraints are on the cards throughout Europe AND North America,
with the rest of the world likely to fall into line with those views - Chinese factories will see the market disappear
before their eyes - they will switch to making other products. There is no incentive for them once the market
recedes.

Getting hold of nic base, even on a black market, will be almost as difficult as it is hazardous. As its now
banned in most countries as a pesticide, I cant think of another commercial use other than NRT. Anyone
producing in industrial volumes will be looking for a way out of that business at the moment.
The combination of sky high prices and unknown quality makes me doubt this business model.
Personal stockpiles and rebuildables are just delaying the fateful day for those with the resources to prepare.

There is only one sensible option, don't let the buggers get away with it, fight them on every front.
They are beginning to get the message, we have already won great victories and been rewarded with
more time.
Time is our greatest asset in this battle, each day more smokers join our ranks. Each day
more real evidence supports our cause.

Stock piling is a viable option though. If the worst happens and you can delay the fateful day personally until after you've snuffed it then it's good, apart from shuffling it obviously 

Of course some have not only their health and wellbeing to try and protect but their livelihood too.
i fate the fateful day will arrive, it's not if but when.

bring it on Im ready 

[Mrsmac]

The future does have me apprehensive as well and I think stock piling and campaigning is the best way forward. Hence trying to get to grips with rebuildables.

Reading these posts just reminded me why I think I need to learn and practice with my mech mods as the electronic circuitry may fail at a given moment and sods law it would happen the day after regulation!

[Deleted]

Policing all this "shite" as toots has kindly labelled it I think will be a pantomime. What will the penalties be if caught with a so called "banned" attomiser ? Who will enforce it ? Will the courts be able to cope ? Will the SAS be doing a raid on my freezer and vape box ? I think there may be a few twists and turns still to come on this subject yet.

[djs]

Oct 12, 2014 12:16:38 GMT striker42 said:

What will the penalties be if caught with a so called "banned" attomiser ? Who will enforce it ? Will the courts be able to cope ? Will the SAS be doing a raid on my freezer and vape box ? I think there may be a few twists and turns still to come on this subject yet.

We're going to be quite safe with our existing atomizers, of that I am 100% sure. It'll be the sale of these products.

[Richard46]

Oct 12, 2014 9:05:10 GMT igual said:

Oct 12, 2014 8:51:22 GMT markm said:

Something to keep in mind - although purchasing outside the EU would be prohibited, people find
ways round this for other products to supply a black market.

In this case though, as similar restraints are on the cards throughout Europe AND North America,
with the rest of the world likely to fall into line with those views - Chinese factories will see the market disappear
before their eyes - they will switch to making other products. There is no incentive for them once the market
recedes.

Getting hold of nic base, even on a black market, will be almost as difficult as it is hazardous. As its now
banned in most countries as a pesticide, I cant think of another commercial use other than NRT. Anyone
producing in industrial volumes will be looking for a way out of that business at the moment.
The combination of sky high prices and unknown quality makes me doubt this business model.
Personal stockpiles and rebuildables are just delaying the fateful day for those with the resources to prepare.

There is only one sensible option, don't let the buggers get away with it, fight them on every front.
They are beginning to get the message, we have already won great victories and been rewarded with
more time.
Time is our greatest asset in this battle, each day more smokers join our ranks. Each day
more real evidence supports our cause.

I reckon we should set up the aaec political party
Chrissie for pm ronaldo as head of custard affairs, chykensa as head of education, I'll be head of food n drink . Well renationalise the post office n put brend in charge. Who else fancies a job
Sorry I've been up all night with little one ( I need sleep )

There is a vaping political party already registered.

vapersinpower.co.uk/