Smok M80 Temperature Mode Help

[Bobsbeer]

Before turning Temp mode off and finding out how to change things it was set at 400F. I only have kanthal and if I fired it up and watched rather than draw I could see the temperature rising until it got to a point that it locked out, (clearly 400F). Except at 400F I was able to draw on the atty without it locking out. Seemed to hover around the 350+F mark. Shame it doesn't hold the reading for a couple of seconds after releasing the button so you can see it.

[robby]

Feb 23, 2015 12:38:29 GMT alanjana said:

Just checked the angelfire mods facebook discusion on this and this is the latest post from them

Angelfiremods Ltd Yeah well we have two devices at the moment that run temp control on Kanthal, you probably need to experience it to see and it is obviously not using resistance to measure heat or it is using a different type of algorithm. It works by using the temperature protection function and will not allow the wattage to push the temp beyond the set temperature.. all I can tell you is it works and very well

Alan

Where can I find that alanjana "two devices than temp control kanthal"

[robby]

The temp should only be going up when the wicking is dropping off which will never be at the start of a vape ??? richo71

[alanjana]

Feb 23, 2015 13:06:05 GMT robby said:

Feb 23, 2015 12:38:29 GMT alanjana said:

Just checked the angelfire mods facebook discusion on this and this is the latest post from them

Angelfiremods Ltd Yeah well we have two devices at the moment that run temp control on Kanthal, you probably need to experience it to see and it is obviously not using resistance to measure heat or it is using a different type of algorithm. It works by using the temperature protection function and will not allow the wattage to push the temp beyond the set temperature.. all I can tell you is it works and very well

Alan

Where can I find that alanjana "two devices than temp control kanthal"

Andy McGill That is not possible with any accuracy.
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Angelfiremods Ltd Have you got one Andy McGill?
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Andy McGill No I have not. Unless they have changed how TC works at the moment it won't work simply because Kanthal resistance does not change as it heats up. It is the change in resistance that is used to measure the temperature.
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Angelfiremods Ltd Yeah well we have two devices at the moment that run temp control on Kanthal, you probably need to experience it to see and it is obviously not using resistance to measure heat or it is using a different type of algorithm. It works by using the temperature protection function and will not allow the wattage to push the temp beyond the set temperature.. all I can tell you is it works and very well

The other 2 TC mods that they do are a clone vapourshark and a clone vapourflask.

Alan

[Ripshod]

I disbelieve that and throw in some reality.

TC works by measuring the change in resistance of the wire in the coil. The temperature change in kanthal is too small to be accurate to 40 degrees, never mind 5 degrees.

Smok have brought out a ni200 atty to pair with the M80.

I dispute those claims and demand proof. Even if TC 'appears' to be working it ain't. if you set 200^o with a kanthal build and TC kicks in, what's the real temperature of the coli?? It's down to the myth-makers to prove otherwise - and therefore show the mod designers don't have a clue what wire spec they used to design TC.

The issue is less TC not working, more the ramp-up time designed into the algorythm.

[robby]

If the clone vaporflask they are selling is the same as mine, that is a porky for sure

[Ripshod]

Pure myth robby. It's stuff like this that gets under my skin and forces me to take breaks. Don't like being treated like a mug
paulymeatballs has proven that - although it's a little inaccurate - TC works with Ni. The issue is just the ramp-up

[Get Off My Cloud]

Feb 23, 2015 13:05:05 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Before turning Temp mode off and finding out how to change things it was set at 400F. I only have kanthal and if I fired it up and watched rather than draw I could see the temperature rising until it got to a point that it locked out, (clearly 400F). Except at 400F I was able to draw on the atty without it locking out. Seemed to hover around the 350+F mark. Shame it doesn't hold the reading for a couple of seconds after releasing the button so you can see it.

It was holding at a lower temp when you were drawing on it because you have air cooling the coil when you're drawing on it.

[Ripshod]

paulymeatballs use the reset button and note the 'VER00*' number for us?

[Bobsbeer]

Feb 23, 2015 14:28:52 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Feb 23, 2015 13:05:05 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Before turning Temp mode off and finding out how to change things it was set at 400F. I only have kanthal and if I fired it up and watched rather than draw I could see the temperature rising until it got to a point that it locked out, (clearly 400F). Except at 400F I was able to draw on the atty without it locking out. Seemed to hover around the 350+F mark. Shame it doesn't hold the reading for a couple of seconds after releasing the button so you can see it.

It was holding at a lower temp when you were drawing on it because you have air cooling the coil when you're drawing on it.

Your right, I'm not suggesting it was working as it should with TC.  What it does seem to do though is cut the power if the temp set is reached, not control it by reducing the wattage, although it can't go lower than 7 watts anyway.  But when I tried it just now on 19 watts it shut down the fireing and showed Temp lock on the screen.

[robby]

It`s a switching power on and off thing Bobsbeer (thermostat), so it is going to depend on how long it takes to cool before it can switch the power on again for the next burst to get to max temp. So it`s actually going to reduce the average power (and vapor production) but see disclaimer below

[Bobsbeer]

Whatever I have in the Hana, which seems similar to the Smok, is doing things differently to the Evolve version of the same thing. I would have thought Smok would use a proprietry brand of board rather than clone version, which is probably put in the Hana. But I guess we are talking China here, so it could be any old bit of board in either.

[Kandesys]

Feb 23, 2015 14:35:07 GMT Ripshod said:

paulymeatballs use the reset button and note the 'VER00*' number for us?

Mine shows ver0004 if that helps?

I don't think the temp control is working on the m80, it's just running through some preset series of values, but it doesnt remember an 'at rest' resistance of the coil. So the next time you fire it, the hotter resistance is read and the coil will get far too hot and burn your wick.

I've tried various combinations of buttons, but nothing seems to make a difference.

&i

[Ripshod]

Feb 23, 2015 15:32:23 GMT Kandesys said:

I don't think the temp control is working on the m80, it's just running through some preset series of values, but it doesnt remember an 'at rest' resistance of the coil. So the next time you fire it, the hotter resistance is read and the coil will get far too hot and burn your wick.

Have you actually gone into menu1 and set to 'Temp Mode'. What I've been reading from others so far the fault is the other way round. mmm, don't take that the wrong way, you probably have

[Kandesys]

Yes, the blurry video I posted earlier show this issue too
First fire is 0.22ohms, second fire is 0.83 ohms

Without remembering an at rest resistance the temp sensing mode cannot work, unless you're expected to leave the atomiser for a minute or 2 between vapes?
But even so, I don't believe it is working as the series of numbers it cycles through during firing are not altered by having no wick, or a saturated wick, or even with airflow across the coil. It's just a preset series of numbers shown depending on how long you fire it for.

The temp is only shown when in temp mode, so it's easy enough to see what mode you're in