Todd's Temp Control rant !

[juicehead]

Mark Todd, one of our best loved reviewers has at last put into words what I feel about the over complicated nature of vaping today , mainly due to Temp Control.
What are your feelings ?

[blakey]

todd is a dinosaur with a speech impediment

[jtc]

Hmmm I'll go have a look then I'll comment:D

[Bobsbeer]

I am not sure I have listened to him, as I tend to avoid most YT reviewers as most are talking crap anyway. The same goes for film critics, food/restaurant critics etc. Sorry, but most are too full of their own self importance, and only in it for the financial reward. I prefer the opinions of normal everyday people, such as you get on here. When a film critic says a film is crap, then I think it must be good and go and see it.

[djs]

I'm going to watch/read, as I like and value what Todd does and has done.

The reality is... (presumably)

The majority of e-cig users don't use advanced box mods, subohm tanks, £9 e-liquid 82.765% VG. They use plug and play.
Out of those that do, how many are right at the front of the technology queue? Less than half?

So, we're talking a percentage of a percentage using a product that's complexity has got less and less to do with quitting smoking and more about a hobby.

Therefore, the way I see it, it doesn't matter whether he is wrong or right in his opinion or his decision.

It sounded to me like he just wants to get on doing what he does best. Got to support that.

[jtc]

Well I one way I agree.
Personally I don't really need TC.
As long as you have everything setup properly then dry hits just don't really happen do they.
But for the very odd occasion I forget to fill with juice then it's handy to have to protect my wicks. Especially if I'm busy and haven't kept an eye on it. Or if say I'm driving and can't stop to fill up but want every last drop from my tank lol.
Also on receiving a new tank there is usually a specific way I find it likes to be wicked. With temperature control it actually shows you how well it is wicking by how long it takes for your draw to start hitting temperature max.
Im sure there are many like me out there and like to get this to the optimum.
Yes without TC this can be done but I feel with TC it's a better indication.
TC to me has improved vastly and with the likes of the DNA200 for me has hit a great benchmark and I'm really enjoying it with ss coils.
I don't find it complicated at all and now I've learned escribe I can setup a DNA200 in minutes. Other mods like my evic mini take even less time to setup.
I understand it may not be to everyone's liking and I think in the future something more automatic to identify the TCR of wires being used would be great.
It's just a shame the world governments meddling in our great hobby might slow progression down but I'm trying to stay positive.
Well that's my opinion on TC anyway

[Deleted]

"At the end of the day, we just need some heat to vapourise juice"

Couldn't agree more

I have all the toys....... and still find myself mostly coiling for a dripper in wattage mode.

[blakey]

TC is still in its infancy, as time goes on it will become more plug and play and will I believe become the mainstream.
I just jumped on the bandwaggon early and I'm enjoing the ride

[Bob]

I watched his vid yesterday, and yes I suppose it has become a bit more complicated, but you don't have to use the software (thinking DNA200 here as I don't have a ML yet!), the software just enhances the way you use the mod.

Oh and blakey I pinched your sig and enhanced it

[nanotm]

tcr curves are too hit n miss, if kanthal could be used in tc mode it would be perfect for 99% of stock and home made coils but for some reason mod makers have chosen to not include it in the basic profile preload, and some have even made it virtually impossible to use it by locking the mods to too high an ohm rate requirement for the common tc wires, take ni200, its impossible to make a coil that is large enough that doesn't short against the case in most dual coil mods, its nigh on impossible to "safely use" tc given the dangers most of the wires present unless your investing a considerably sum of money in a dna200 unit that comes with software and a computer hookup, putting it firmly out of reach of many vapers either on financial or "i'm scared its new what if I blow up" grounds, realistically TC type devices should be starting devices configured to give the perfect off the shelf experience to beginners and still be usefull for the hobbyists, as someone that's rrealitivly new to vaping if I had been able to purchase a starter kit for £35 quid that contained all the info I needed as well as a mod and tank unit that was simple to operate and use and didn't allow me to burn out the coils (because the unregulated ego mod delivered too much power) then theres every chance I wouldn't of continued smoking until after I got something better to replace it with, ok I cut down to 2 stinkies a day from around 20 a day but even so a ce4 +ego didn't cut the mustard and the followup starter kit was better but just as pants, and I moved on to getting a 30w istick because of the battery problems, tanks/coils lasted longer but were still not good enough, and then I moved on to the nauti's and then subtanks nad very quickly to cloud makers (although the latter seem to be giving me more problems)

the safety that tc provides to the device is fantastic but setting it up is a pain in the backside and using it on RBA's is a pita primarily because getting hold of 36 or 38 awg is nigh on impossible and anything thinner is difficult to fit inot the deck.....still as the game matures and te mods get better its possible we will see TC become more mainstream and much more of a basic system, certainly the best way to "regulate delivery" is with TC and to do that well you require it to be simpler to achieve for beginners.

[phtumshk]

I watched the vid and only thing puzzling me is how he gets in and out that shed, theres no door.

[Chrissie]

Jan 24, 2016 13:04:16 GMT phtumshk said:

I watched the vid and only thing puzzling me is how he gets in and out that shed, theres no door.

[Deleted]

Jan 24, 2016 11:59:09 GMT kreed said:

"At the end of the day, we just need some heat to vapourise juice"

Couldn't agree more

I have all the toys....... and still find myself mostly coiling for a dripper in wattage mode.

Pretty much sums it up kreed . Although a "Busardo is a unit of time" gave me a chuckle. Tried TC amongst other things but ended up back on a Crius, kanthal and cotton. Happy, faff free vape days are the best.

[robby]

The much maligned cotton burn test should be used more in my opinion. Put the mod into the Metal mode that you are using. Ignore the temperature displayed. Do the cotton burn test, make a note of the reading where it starts to mark the cotton. Take 50F from it and adjust to taste but dont go too near to the written down displayed burn temperature (it doesn`t matter what it is). The displayed temperature is so dependant on the TCR and the quality of the programming on the mod, especially at the most sensitive end of the TCR scale (SS I think). Just use the displayed burn temperature purely as a reference The only measured readings I really trust on any mod is the wattage and the resistance.................................. but that`s just me

[Deleted]

I find if my cotton has no juice, it isnt very nice. Strange that.