NHS e mail and my reply

[Queenie Bee]

Apr 19, 2012 11:24:06 GMT alvoram said:

That's up to you QB, but in fairness yours isn't one of the signatures we were actually talking about, there are some, like my old one, which state "quit date," that is all the proof they need. OK so "cigarettes avoided" could be interpreted the same way, but IMO it's not as bad as blatantly advertising the "quit smoking date" in relation to Ecig use.

You are right in that they will find other ways, imo of course, but I don't think that means people should make it easier for them. Like I said, and hifi has almost agreed, the worst case scenario doesn't have to be the outcome, but like he also said, we need to get our act together, for that to be so, making things as hard for them as possible is one of the ways in which we may well need to get our act together.

yes I realised that Alvo there was a cross of posts regarding my style of banner lol and yes we all really need to work together and I think we can do this this thread has proved that as we are all actively taking information on board and also having our own say this is the beauty of this community and why I feel at home here. I really want to get active with this and i am frustrated the ECCA still haven't replied regarding their registering problems and at the moment I feel in limbo with my next steps.

[womble]

Apr 19, 2012 11:02:22 GMT Queenie Bee said:

sad fact of the matter is the MHRA will do what ever they damn well please

IMO, absoltely right, they are more likely to be swayed by what's in the Daily Mail/Express (ie middle England) than whatever is posted on any ecig forum.

[maccafan]

Need to watch the recording tonight..

This is the one right?

www.vapourtrails.tv/?p=3641

[Queenie Bee]

That's the one macca

[hifistud]

Just so folks know, on tonight's Haze Hour, I've got a piece on batteries - a simple guide to them, amongst other things...

[Queenie Bee]

Apr 19, 2012 13:50:09 GMT hifistud said:

Just so folks know, on tonight's Haze Hour, I've got a piece on batteries - a simple guide to them, amongst other things...

lol Tis a good idea batteries can explode you know !

[alvoram]

Hi QB sorry about the delayed response, had to pop out. I just noticed my "Edit" was missing from your quote. I agree, about pulling together. Obviously my point has always been that I don't think it will come to the "worst case scenario," and that some regulation will have good sides and bad sides. But I am still learning, and it seems that some kind of action is going to be required from the community in order to stop the "worst case scenario" actually happening. I certainly don't want to lose my freedom to vape, so if the more experienced ones within the vaping community insist that something needs to be done, then I will happily do what I can.

I still stand by one of the things I originally said though, and that's that all suppliers and manufacturers need to be regulated for standards, however, if that can be achieved by the ECITA or a similar body, then that would be ideal. The small problem at the minute is, until you're told, online, by getting involved with things like this forum, you have no idea when you go and buy your first Ecig, that the ECCA or ECITA exist, never mind what they do, so you wouldn't know to buy from a member, or approved vendor. From what I've seen, these regulatory bodies do good things, and have good ideas, but until every vendor selling in the UK is bound by them, my concern is still valid.

Edit Reason: Keep mixing up my eccas and my ecitas, lol.

[vapingdaz]

I think this thread fits nicely with last nights show on vapourtrails, and I have to agree with a comment that I am a smoker, I smoke but the item that I smoke is called an electronic cigarette, I did not intend on stop smoking analougues it just happened. That is why im becoming a part of the vaping community for the reason being that for others who want to move away from smoking tobacco and looking for alternatives.

[Queenie Bee]

Apr 19, 2012 14:54:09 GMT vapingdaz said:

I think this thread fits nicely with last nights show on vapourtrails, and I have to agree with a comment that I am a smoker, I smoke but the item that I smoke is called an electronic cigarette, I did not intend on stop smoking analougues it just happened. That is why im becoming a part of the vaping community for the reason being that for others who want to move away from smoking tobacco and looking for alternatives.

ditto my vaping brother

[vapingdaz]

Awww queenie bless you. mwah x

[alvoram]

Welcome Daz, that's the same for a lot of us, giving up analogues just happened.

[vapingdaz]

Thanks alvoram. Thats what im pretty much hearing.

[Perpetua]

Apr 19, 2012 10:28:01 GMT alvoram said:

Edit: point of note is that AAEC, unlike other places, have made it so that their signature banners can focus on vaping, and the amount of time doing that, which is a good thing, maybe, as an extension of that, the admins should ban the quit date signature banners, especially since they offer an alternative type of signature banner.... Gotta admit though, the colour won't go with my rams badges as well.

Steve did a great job on our banner, building in the options . . . personally, I don't show cigges not smoked for the very reasons above. I'd rather celebrate the length of time I've been a Vaper.

[Perpetua]

Apr 19, 2012 14:23:15 GMT alvoram said:

From what I've seen, these regulatory bodies do good things, and have good ideas, but until every vendor selling in the UK is bound by them, my concern is still valid.

The problem is . . . that these Regulatory bodies, although purporting to work for our benefit, are very often on an agenda that we know nothing about.

I don't trust, nor believe any of them.

[alvoram]

I can see your concerns there Perps, reading through the ECITA site (which took blooming hours, for anyone interested) I noticed this, on their "join us" page, which concerned me a little bit...

"We are very committed to fully democratic processes, and the full membership is consulted where appropriate so that we can all remain confident that ECITA is representing the wishes of the majority of its members."

Does that mean that new members are only accepted if the current vendors signed up vote them in. I think I'd rather it was a simple system of achieving a certain standard, before being accepted in. Otherwise there is nothing to stop them refusing competitors. Obviously if it was to be a national requirement, then the regulating body would have to be a little more independent. Apart from that though, I read a lot of good things on their site, the ISE, testing procedures, etc, all good stuff.