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Post by Raffles on Jun 14, 2017 20:28:02 GMT
I'm with you completely Raffles ...I am so worried for any children being born into this world right now... there was never this fear when we were young gill2009 I think it's partly due to the fact that we didn't know about it. No 24hr news channels, no internet/social media. The most we got was an article in the 'News Chronicle' which was out of date before we read it. I don't know if it's a good thing or not that we know instantly. I do know that it upsets me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 20:38:54 GMT
I'm with you completely Raffles ...I am so worried for any children being born into this world right now... there was never this fear when we were young gill2009 I think it's partly due to the fact that we didn't know about it. No 24hr news channels, no internet/social media. The most we got was an article in the 'News Chronicle' which was out of date before we read it. I don't know if it's a good thing or not that we know instantly. I do know that it upsets me. This is my views as well Raffles gill2009 i try to not post / get involved in threads like this, But i honestly dont things are worse than when we were young Its just as raffles says we did not hear about them. Lets be honest you can't fart nowadays without somebody making a comment on social media, When we were young it took a week to find out what was going on in the next town. Today you can find out whats going on in another continent in 5 seconds. So you hear about all the bad things going on as it grabs the headlines and makes all the T.V and media outlets big cash.
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Post by Get Off My Cloud on Jun 14, 2017 21:09:16 GMT
Just watching the 10pm news unreal that it's still burning.
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Post by Chrissie on Jun 14, 2017 21:28:33 GMT
Please don't slaughter me for saying this, but this has got to me as much, if not more than the terrorist attacks Mainly due to the fact so many people have lost their lives/critically injured, due to negligence If someone had taken notice of the concerns that had been aired about this & other high rise flats, this devastating incident could have been avoided. My heart goes out to all family, loved ones & friends plus neighbours/eye witnesses & all the emergency services.
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Post by dagl on Jun 14, 2017 23:47:43 GMT
Sadly, this struck a chord with me-
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Post by Postmodern Smoking on Jun 15, 2017 0:17:31 GMT
I struggle to believe that a sprinkler system and functional (regularly tested/maintained) fire alarm system aren't mandatory in a residential highrise building like that these days.
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Post by Get Off My Cloud on Jun 15, 2017 2:06:32 GMT
I struggle to believe that a sprinkler system and functional (regularly tested/maintained) fire alarm system aren't mandatory in a residential highrise building like that these days. There's good reason they aren't. Fires in buildings like this are supposed to be localised by measures such as fire doors etc there's no central fire alarm so fire fighters are able to gain free and quick access and not be impeded by hundreds of people filing out, this fire should never have spread like that it's a complete freak occurrence that clearly wasn't anticipated. It's obviously not the only fire to ever happen in a high rise block of flats which only goes to show that under normal circumstances fires don't spread the way they did in this case. I also don't think it's fair to say the local council were just penny pinching either they've just spent £8.2m refurbishing the flats that's about £70,000 per flat and it's not money they had to spend on the place, they chose to. If they wanted to penny pinch then they could have saved themselves £8.2m by choosing not to refurbish them.
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Post by Perpetua on Jun 15, 2017 5:12:10 GMT
There are so many questions to be answered aren't there. Doubtless the investigations will continue until they are . . . . tragically, no answers will bring those who have perished back to life.
All those hopes, dreams and lives to be lived gone in moments.
It's impossible not to be affected by the scale of this terrible, terrible fire and it puts other ' newsworthy ' items into context for me.
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Post by decoy on Jun 15, 2017 5:36:59 GMT
i would just like to ask why some sort of fire fighting system isnt mandatory in all tall buildings firefighters hoses can only chuck water so far and any building that is higher should have something a huge water storage tank on the roof with a pipe running to a pump house on ground floor that the fire dudes can switch on and activate external sprinklers would not cost that much yes these things are built so fire dont spread on the inside but with upvc windows and flammable cladding just seems like they were asking for trouble
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Post by Taylor on Jun 15, 2017 20:04:25 GMT
I have carried out a lot of domestic surveys within this block. Really sad to see what has happen. But it's really upsetting to see them spend millions on the external of the block to make it look nice. And not spend the money on the essentials i.e. Sprinklers and fire alarms.They only spent that money on the block to make sales on other properties in that area. As they didn't want them to look at an old council tower block. The refurbishment was for there benefit as everything else. Really upsets me as i see a lot of cut backs by the council in the job I do. My thoughts go out to all the family's at this very sad time.
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Post by Chrissie on Jun 15, 2017 21:16:47 GMT
I struggle to believe that a sprinkler system and functional (regularly tested/maintained) fire alarm system aren't mandatory in a residential highrise building like that these days. There's good reason they aren't. Fires in buildings like this are supposed to be localised by measures such as fire doors etc there's no central fire alarm so fire fighters are able to gain free and quick access and not be impeded by hundreds of people filing out, this fire should never have spread like that it's a complete freak occurrence that clearly wasn't anticipated. It's obviously not the only fire to ever happen in a high rise block of flats which only goes to show that under normal circumstances fires don't spread the way they did in this case. I also don't think it's fair to say the local council were just penny pinching either they've just spent £8.2m refurbishing the flats that's about £70,000 per flat and it's not money they had to spend on the place, they chose to. If they wanted to penny pinch then they could have saved themselves £8.2m by choosing not to refurbish them.As Taylor says, that money was spent on making the outside look "nice" not on safety measures.
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Post by Get Off My Cloud on Jun 15, 2017 21:49:01 GMT
There's good reason they aren't. Fires in buildings like this are supposed to be localised by measures such as fire doors etc there's no central fire alarm so fire fighters are able to gain free and quick access and not be impeded by hundreds of people filing out, this fire should never have spread like that it's a complete freak occurrence that clearly wasn't anticipated. It's obviously not the only fire to ever happen in a high rise block of flats which only goes to show that under normal circumstances fires don't spread the way they did in this case. I also don't think it's fair to say the local council were just penny pinching either they've just spent £8.2m refurbishing the flats that's about £70,000 per flat and it's not money they had to spend on the place, they chose to. If they wanted to penny pinch then they could have saved themselves £8.2m by choosing not to refurbish them.As Taylor says, that money was spent on making the outside look "nice" not on safety measures. The brand new heating system was a cosmetic feature? And the new double glazing serves no purpose other than looking nice, doesn't improve insulation efficiency and lower heating bills or improve security? I'll grant the cladding was most likely purely a cosmetic feature but wouldn't you prefer to live in a building that looks nicer than it did previously?
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Post by Perpetua on Jun 16, 2017 5:24:39 GMT
As Taylor says, that money was spent on making the outside look "nice" not on safety measures. The brand new heating system was a cosmetic feature? And the new double glazing serves no purpose other than looking nice, doesn't improve insulation efficiency and lower heating bills or improve security? I'll grant the cladding was most likely purely a cosmetic feature but wouldn't you prefer to live in a building that looks nicer than it did previously?Absolutely, providing it wasn't style over substance . . . . . and in the case of the cladding, unequivocally guaranteed to be 100% safe/fire proof.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 16, 2017 6:31:26 GMT
As Taylor says, that money was spent on making the outside look "nice" not on safety measures. The brand new heating system was a cosmetic feature? And the new double glazing serves no purpose other than looking nice, doesn't improve insulation efficiency and lower heating bills or improve security? I'll grant the cladding was most likely purely a cosmetic feature but wouldn't you prefer to live in a building that looks nicer than it did previously? They had no option regarding replacing the heating. Plumbers were in this building on a daily basis due to heating failure. The problems wasn't fixed due to the asbestos in the boiler rooms. They then decided to change the system. Will work out cheaper in the long run. I honestly think the windows and cladding were to make this fit in with the other properties in the area. Tenants were complaining about fire safety. They didn't ask for cheap cladding which I've just found out has been banned in America. So I look at it like this. Spend the money on cladding or sprinklers and fire alarms. Safety has to come before looks.
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Post by BrenD on Jun 16, 2017 8:44:26 GMT
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