COVID - 19

[VapingBad]

Mar 28, 2020 3:27:57 GMT skipraider said:

I've been looking into anything to help me as I have severe COPD.
I've found some "alternative" or "Integrative" medicine info from supposedly reputable people.
Might be worth a look?
What do you think?


www.drfabio.com/healthblog/integrative-considerations-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-march-19-2020

Reviewed by:

Fabio Almeida MD ABNM, ABOM, ABoIMe
Director Center for Integrative Healing & Wellness
Fellow of the University of Arizona Integrative Medicine Program, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

Lise Alschuler ND
Professor of Clinical Medicine
University of Arizona College of Medicine Assistant Director, Fellowship in Integrative Medicine, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine (Primary Author)

Ann Marie Chiasson MD
Associate Professor of Clinical Medicine
University of Arizona College of Medicine Director, Fellowship in Integrative Medicine Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

Robert Crocker MD
Assistant Professor of Medicine
University of Arizona College of Medicine Director, Strategic and Clinical Planning and Implementation, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

Randy Horwitz MD PhD FACP
Professor of Medicine,
University of Arizona College of Medicine Medical Director, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

Victoria Maizes MD
Professor of Clinical Medicine, Family Medicine and Public Health
University of Arizona Andrew Weil Endowed Chair in Integrative Medicine Executive Director, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

Paul Stamets
Mycologist

Andrew Weil MD
Professor of Medicine and Public Health,
University of Arizona Endowed Chair in Integrative Rheumatology, University of Arizona Founder, Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine

And:

www.stephenharrodbuhner.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/coronavirus.txt.pdf

S Buhner has many books published available on Amazon.

Dr Fab claims to be from University of Arizona so I would only start to believe this if you can view it on their site or properly link it to that and several respected primary authorities that acknowledge the claims.  Internet domain names (web sites) are so easy to get for pence, never trust a just one no matter how real it appears, they are so quick and easy to make, and social media is the wild west of fake news.  As the last few posts illustrate lots of internet copy-paste monkeys repeating something that makes sense to them in ignorant good faith does not make it a thing, but does not make it a lie either just not proven. IMO you need to find several respected primary authorities, look at the couple that took corona advice from Trump saying a compound was game changer treatment, like him they didn't understand but took it and died.

ETA

Looks non genuine to me, the references there is one for 5, but there is no [5] in the text, stopped looking after that. And they are not links (web links to the source), given it is an unofficial website that stinks IMO.

ETA 2

You could email those references to confirm, but only take them seriously if most are from academic domains (email ends with .ac) or recognised corporate web domains with a history.

[Perpetua]

This is the official line from Proboards themselves: support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency

Emotions are running high understandably at this time of much uncertainty for all of us and our families . . . .  but let's be kind to each other, don't you think.

On a personal note I had something of a meltdown at work yesterday, when I started my shift we had no disposable gloves left, still no protective screens around tills, no visors or masks ( those that I ordered have still yet to be delivered, postage/delivery services are taking longer than normal . . . . again understandably. ) Yet other supermarkets in the locality have these in place for their staff.

So I ranted, loud and long at our Branch Manager . . . . if any company is expecting their employees to pitch up for work, then they have a duty of care to safeguard their well being as best possible in this current situation, our manager did fully agree with me and had said similar a little earlier to those higher up the management scale.

As a company, we're so busy applauding the good works being done within local communities, which I also totally support, that protecting staff appears to be a secondary priority.

I've gone from being disappointed to cross, very cross when I have people unknown to me not two feet away paying for their shopping, completely undoing any of the preventive measures outside of work that I'm taking in respect to social distancing ( which is well nigh impossible in a supermarket anyway! )

Preventive, safeguarding actions could and should have been taken weeks ago by all companies when news of this pandemic was first known.

[beedee]

I'm really interested in the rumour thing - in my work I know so many people who are have anxieties about health issues, the police, medical authorities or the army even in 'normal' times. Ramping things up by rumours causes them truly terrible distress.

So, how to spot them:

I have heard several rumours and they all have similar features:

'I know someone' or 'I know someone who knows someone' this someone is often: a Nurse, Doctor, Policeman, Home office or Ministry of Defense civil servant or Politician, often senior (to give the appearance of the information having authority) or, where it suits, a front line worker who has been let in on or discovered a 'secret'.

They usually predict the situation getting worse, even catastrophic.

They often reflect what people fear will happen, or fears about what has happened.

Two weeks ago one went around work that there would be a total China style lockdown implemented by the army and the police the next day - it was conveyed by someone whose best friend (a ward Sister) had been told by a senior police officer in the MET. This led to one person making a desperate overnight dash to the Midlands to pick up a daughter who is at University there.

I was told a similar rumour three days later directly, I gently challenged this one, and the person got quite angry and said 'But I heard it from a MATRON.....' as if this was proof positive.

I know someone in a charity who works with the MOD on ex service people with post traumatic stress problems - apparently the rumour going around there is that COVID 9 is a man made virus - ignoring the fact that similar coronavirus strains have caused two well documented and researched SARS pandemics in Asia over the last ten years.

Rumour is human - we all like to be 'in the know' - we also have a tendency to seek evidence to confirm our prejudices - a part of staying healthy in all this is to take every rumour with a BIG pinch of salt and halt the spread of them as far as we can.

[beedee]

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

This is the official line from Proboards themselves: support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency

Emotions are running high understandably at this time of much uncertainty for all of us and our families . . . .  but let's be kind to each other, don't you think.

On a personal note I had something of a meltdown at work yesterday, when I started my shift we had no disposable gloves left, still no protective screens around tills, no visors or masks ( those that I ordered have still yet to be delivered, postage/delivery services are taking longer than normal . . . . again understandably. ) Yet other supermarkets in the locality have these in place for their staff.

So I ranted, loud and long at our Branch Manager . . . . if any company is expecting their employees to pitch up for work, then they have a duty of care to safeguard their well being as best possible in this current situation, our manager did fully agree with me and had said similar a little earlier to those higher up the management scale.

As a company, we're so busy applauding the good works being done within local communities, which I also totally support, that protecting staff appears to be a secondary priority.

I've gone from being disappointed to cross, very cross when I have people unknown to me not two feet away paying for their shopping, completely undoing any of the preventive measures outside of work that I'm taking in respect to social distancing ( which is well nigh impossible in a supermarket anyway! )

Preventive, safeguarding actions could and should have been taken weeks ago by all companies when news of this pandemic was first known.

Sorry to hear about this Perpetua. I think what you and your co-workers are doing in food and goods supply is heroic, and you deserve much better - if there were an NHS style clapping thing for all of you I'd be the first out my front door - for the moment - this will have to do:

[bioxx]

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

Preventive, safeguarding actions could and should have been taken weeks ago by all companies when news of this pandemic was first known.

Not for the common unwashed masses unfortunately.

Some of the shop managers are out of their depth completely as well.

Yesterday my weekly shopping at Aldi went very well. Manager stood behind the tills and told everybody to pack up outside so they could let more people in faster. He was very enthusiastic. Great job!!!!
Tesco on the other hand have no idea what they are doing. It’s a Tesco extra so it’s big but they let fewer people in than the a tenth the size Aldi. I could have counted the people inside. Also wiping off the conveyor belt after every customer is just silly and a waste of money and time. If there is a virus on your shopping then you take it home, there is just no way around it.

[beedee]

skipraider. The advice around getting proper sleep, avoiding high stress levels as far as possible and keeping yourself hydrated are all good for staying well in life in general as well as health emergencies.

The specific stuff around what and what not to eat and what vitamins to take - well, I am a bit dubious about the real science around some of it even when it is properly referenced - and, as VapingBad points out, this is not!

Stay safe!

[rezello]

Mar 26, 2020 22:54:43 GMT Greg said:

Something I learned today, wear gloves and or disinfect your bin handles when you bring them back in. Refuge collectors can handle upto two thousand bins a day, be careful folks.

👍

[rezello]

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

This is the official line from Proboards themselves: support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency

Emotions are running high understandably at this time of much uncertainty for all of us and our families . . . .  but let's be kind to each other, don't you think.

On a personal note I had something of a meltdown at work yesterday, when I started my shift we had no disposable gloves left, still no protective screens around tills, no visors or masks ( those that I ordered have still yet to be delivered, postage/delivery services are taking longer than normal . . . . again understandably. ) Yet other supermarkets in the locality have these in place for their staff.

So I ranted, loud and long at our Branch Manager . . . . if any company is expecting their employees to pitch up for work, then they have a duty of care to safeguard their well being as best possible in this current situation, our manager did fully agree with me and had said similar a little earlier to those higher up the management scale.

As a company, we're so busy applauding the good works being done within local communities, which I also totally support, that protecting staff appears to be a secondary priority.

I've gone from being disappointed to cross, very cross when I have people unknown to me not two feet away paying for their shopping, completely undoing any of the preventive measures outside of work that I'm taking in respect to social distancing ( which is well nigh impossible in a supermarket anyway! )

Preventive, safeguarding actions could and should have been taken weeks ago by all companies when news of this pandemic was first known.

Absolutely. Your own safety is paramount above all others you must absolutely challenge when necessary.

With regards to posting things we’ve seen or heard I think it’s important to fact check before posting or at least state you don’t know if it’s right so remind those reading to take it as they wish. But always be kind and don’t vilify those that share posts. If you wish to seek evidence based advice I would always point people in the direction of government websites and websites such as the CDC, WHO, UN to name a few, other web sites of interest include the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine (they offer very relevant and free online courses if you really get bored!) and a few other universities. 😊 
 

[-V-]

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

This is the official line from Proboards themselves: support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency

Emotions are running high understandably at this time of much uncertainty for all of us and our families . . . .  but let's be kind to each other, don't you think.

I totally agree and respect being a long term member of this Forum the above, I felt like I was called out last last night for something I'd not even done wrong hence my longish reply...
Keep safe all and remember only listen/believe what you see from the 'official' news channels, not some cut and pasted post from the many social media sites such as FB from 'Dave the rave down the street'

[-V-]

Mar 28, 2020 9:56:06 GMT bioxx said:

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

Preventive, safeguarding actions could and should have been taken weeks ago by all companies when news of this pandemic was first known.

Not for the common unwashed masses unfortunately.

Some of the shop managers are out of their depth completely as well.

Yesterday my weekly shopping at Aldi went very well. Manager stood behind the tills and told everybody to pack up outside so they could let more people in faster. He was very enthusiastic. Great job!!!!
Tesco on the other hand have no idea what they are doing. It’s a Tesco extra so it’s big but they let fewer people in than the a tenth the size Aldi. I could have counted the people inside. Also wiping off the conveyor belt after every customer is just silly and a waste of money and time. If there is a virus on your shopping then you take it home, there is just no way around it.

Agree about the Tesco thing mate, same where I live, self check out was down to only 2 customers allowed in out of the 12 self check out tills, then once someone had done you had to wait for a full on wipe down of the entire checkout till before you can use it, then same after you've finished....

[DaveJ]

Mar 28, 2020 10:54:03 GMT -V- said:

.... from 'Dave the rave down the street'

Well, as a Dave who sometimes has a bit of a rave ...


I'd think you guys are dealing with similar to what is going on around here. And it sure isn't anything I've ever seen before.


* I see some who've lost their jobs - at least in the short term and, for many, likely much longer.
* I see that there are likely to be many, like those who own small shops/enterprises, who will "go to the wall" as a result of lost trading/closures and such.
* I see others called on to do far more than normal/usual.
* I see some who make me embarrassed to be included as the same species.
* I see many who rise up and inspire.
* I see a lot who are stressed - with good reason.
* I see this isn't likely to be over anytime soon.
* And, when the virus is over, I see it's likely to be a major undertaking for many to regain some sort of normality. Many will need to find work, long periods of school education may have been lost, some will have "lost it all" and, collectively, our governments will be deep, deep in debt. We all will be paying that off for for a good long while.

I cannot say any better than any of you how this will go, but I try to listen to the reports and try to "do the right thing" - the stay at home bit, the keep your hands clean thing and working with the unofficial "neighbourhood collective" to ensure we "cover off" for those old and infirm around us to ensure they lack none of the basics thro these times. Beyond that - what can I say?

Thank you to all called on to "do more" when providing your essential service - be it retail, medical, transport, police, whatever.


Stay safe, look out for your neighbours and hold on; it's likely to quite a ride.




***Lighthearted comment:

Neighbour's son is a policeman. They've been told, starting Tues night ..... (snipped the actual tale/chinese whisper) <=== this happened, neighbour has been doing the rounds earlier today.

[monty]

Mar 28, 2020 1:56:06 GMT skipraider said:

I expect the Good people, e.g. Borris and the Royals will receive blood plasma, with the relevant antibodies, from recovered Coronavirus patients. It seems to effect a speedy recovery.

I expect Charles' grandfather would have declined the test knowing that it wouldn't be given to the rest of us - even GPs can't get one.

[dagl]

A bit sweary but gets the message across well-

[phatfil]

Mar 28, 2020 10:54:03 GMT -V- said:

Mar 28, 2020 9:10:43 GMT Perpetua said:

This is the official line from Proboards themselves: support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency

Emotions are running high understandably at this time of much uncertainty for all of us and our families . . . .  but let's be kind to each other, don't you think.

I totally agree and respect being a long term member of this Forum the above, I felt like I was called out last last night for something I'd not even done wrong hence my longish reply...
Keep safe all and remember only listen/believe what you see from the 'official' news channels, not some cut and pasted post from the many social media sites such as FB from 'Dave the rave down the street'

As the offending poster who "called you out",,

Mia-Culpa,  And heartfelt apologies.  not my intention to suggest you were wrong, just to get you to qualify the statements, which you subsequently did .. Kudos..  

That particular post caught me after a long hard phone chat with a pal who's 19 yr old son had swallowed some really out there Facebook bulshit  and had been out of the house and spent the afternoon with someone who had just returned from MADRID airport!! and then gone home to a house with elderly relatives!!
AS young people are immune after all !!..  My friend is now worried sick and their household in ibiza is in full family breakdown

 And in hindsight perhaps my post was in part a knee jerk reaction to that fraught situation. I hate feeling helpless in the face of friends suffering and thats NOT your fault!

I hope you can accept my apology and forgive..

Phil K

[Perpetua]

Mar 29, 2020 20:09:17 GMT phatfil said:

Mar 28, 2020 10:54:03 GMT -V- said:

I totally agree and respect being a long term member of this Forum the above, I felt like I was called out last last night for something I'd not even done wrong hence my longish reply...
Keep safe all and remember only listen/believe what you see from the 'official' news channels, not some cut and pasted post from the many social media sites such as FB from 'Dave the rave down the street'

As the offending poster who "called you out",,

Mia-Culpa,  And heartfelt apologies.  not my intention to suggest you were wrong, just to get you to qualify the statements, which you subsequently did .. Kudos..  

That particular post caught me after a long hard phone chat with a pal who's 19 yr old son had swallowed some really out there Facebook bulshit  and had been out of the house and spent the afternoon with someone who had just returned from MADRID airport!! and then gone home to a house with elderly relatives!!
AS young people are immune after all !!..  My friend is now worried sick and their household in ibiza is in full family breakdown

 And in hindsight perhaps my post was in part a knee jerk reaction to that fraught situation. I hate feeling helpless in the face of friends suffering and thats NOT your fault!

I hope you can accept my apology and forgive..

Phil K

Absolutely Phil. . . . and thank you for the apology.

I think every one of us is feeling under pressure and helpless to a greater or lesser degree - none of us would be human if we didn't given the situation. This is not life as we know it, nor will it be for a time to come yet.

Stay safe everyone.