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Post by ceedee on Jan 14, 2016 4:20:39 GMT
I think you're right, only Tanks/Clearos & Cartos will require notification (approval). It would be too difficult to require a vaping device to have this as there is such a huge array out there and the ability to "cobble together" a mod from components like a torch etc. Me too, for what it's worth. And also several people nearer the retail market. Atomisers must still conform to the 2ml capacity (rather than volume) limit, have a small opening for refilling and someone (presumably a manufacturer) would need to fork out a not-inconsiderable sum to get a load of emissions testing and risk assessment-type paperwork completed for the MHRA to consider granting type-approval to allow them to be sold within the UK and the rest of the EU. But, hey, what seemed virtually impossible a month back now looks vaguely possible. Prospects for juice makers look dire however. I've now had three people-who-ought-to-know confirm that they believe that every variant of an individual juice (eg. 3mg, 6mg, 12mg and 18mg for each pg/vg mix eg. 50/50, 35/65, 20/80) will need it's own set of expensive toxicology tests and related analyses. Lots of figures for these tests are being banded around (most I suspect are imaginary) but it looks almost inevitable to me that the costs will be enormous and way beyond the reach of all but the most profitable juice companies. Anyway that's just what I'm picking up in chats around the place. In case it's of any interest. |
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Post by ceedee on Jan 13, 2016 19:45:32 GMT
How about a thread with suggestions for a new national anthem from members on here?.........i suggest the Benny Hill theme tune!!  imagine how our GB team would walk around the stadium at the opening of olympic games to that? Would be so funny. Instead of walking around to the almost 'funeral' pace of our current anthem, we would be racing past all the other countries teams before the games even started lol  That would be fine for serious ceremonial occasions but every now and then you need something to march to... something with a bit of punch to it... We all live in a yellow submarine |
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Post by ceedee on Jan 12, 2016 10:34:39 GMT
i was going to try out the lubrisolve nic, think i might give it a miss then now. is darrant doing nic? No, that would be far too easy - they're purely a chemical distribution company. Many people are recommending DarkStar for clean nicotine at very keen prices. And there's Piratesvape if you want (probably) the best available. |
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Post by ceedee on Jan 12, 2016 5:05:34 GMT
 My adds up strange as well It adds up perfectly - it's just the prices for each item are shown including vat and the sub-total has removed it. I got a litre of VG and two of PG from Darrant last weekend for £13.30 - which is £3 cheaper than the prices shown on Lubrisolve's website. It was delivered by Yodel two days after placing the order and arrived very well packaged with each bottle wrapped in heavy-duty plastic and plenty of padding in the box. The labels are pretty stark with no extra information, not that I'm bothered - the MSDS's are quite sufficient for me. Given Lubrisolve's recent 'lapses' (with mis-describing their AG-nic as VG, sending out rather dark-coloured nic without explanation and now sky-high list prices), I'll be recommending others give Darrant a try. |
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Post by ceedee on Jan 11, 2016 3:11:23 GMT
ZERO NIC juice will need to be tested FFS Correct, however this will be to show that the juice contains no nicotine. Today has been a huge step forward for a lot of manufacturers. Consider that MHRA fee's were originally estimated between 5 - 10k per flavour this money can now be put towards product testing, meaning that a much larger percentage of SMB's will have a fair crack at getting through the directive. An extended deadline to sell off old stock will allow suppliers who can't afford to get through more time to budget for testing, shop keepers will have had a huge weight lifted from their shoulders. For us, the majority of our business is from dealing with SMBs and start ups. This allows us time to really nail down the finer points and bring more manufacturers past the TPD. A brilliant start to the year and awesome end to the week! Who estimated that the MHRA's fees would be 5-10k per flavour? What kind of cost do you estimate toxicity testing will be (per flavour)? (Not looking for a precise figure, an estimate to the nearest £5k would be good enough.) |
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Post by ceedee on Jan 8, 2016 12:10:37 GMT
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Post by ceedee on Jan 4, 2016 2:23:27 GMT
I imagine that where we are is pretty much how the pharmaceutical industry wanted things and I very much doubt that they're regretting it.
While I don't doubt that the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries could produce what you imagine (and a whole lot more), if those products do not align with their motives or objectives they will not invest in them.
Your second paragraph is so confused I'm unable to respond except to note that the motivation behind the TPD was never about the taxation of juices (though any government would love the opportunity to increase their income) but to protect primarily the pharmaceutical industry's NRT products and secondly, the tobacco industry, probably because of their contribution via tobacco duty.
And yes, the TPD is likely to see an increase in the price of juices but probably not by adding a high level of taxation but by reducing the supply of juices.
If the cost of the toxicology tests required by the TPD - estimated to be between £4k and £10k per juice, per nic strength - are real, we're likely to see a very dramatic reduction in the supply and variety of juice on the market.
There are lots of other variables that can't be predicted but I'd be surprised if we don't see (alongside the closure of almost every vape shop in the country) quite a sharp fall in juice availability over the next 16 months. And that will inevitably mean higher prices.
The "overpriced crap" won't just be the "cheapest option for everyone who wants to vape" but - along with probably a handful of other "overpriced crap" products without Medical Approval but regulated under the TPD - the ONLY options for those who don't know how to obtain our decent gear on the black market or direct from China.
That's precisely why we've been fighting the TPD.
As I said: Nothing here is unexpected.
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Post by ceedee on Jan 4, 2016 0:56:59 GMT
Nothing here is unexpected.
Once the TPD had been approved, there were always going to be three classes of vaping device:
1) those with Medical Approval (MA) could be advertised and prescribed by the NHS and Stop Smoking clinics - this is the first one,
2) those that conformed to the TPD design restrictions - 2ml tank, leak-proof refilling and tamper-proof - may even be just as poor as this one, and finally
3) the ones that we use that work; that smokers will be prevented by law from purchasing.
The only important thing about this out-dated, ineffectual and ridiculously-expensive e-cig isn't even that it's made by BAT - it's that the NHS has finally conceded that we've been right all along, that vaping *does* work. So well in fact, that they're actually going to pay for them.
It's a tragedy that they will almost certainly be nearly as useless as the pharmaceutical industry's NRT but that was always the point!
If the PHE report was a fundamentally important milestone for vaping, then this - in time - could be an even more critical one.
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Post by ceedee on Jan 3, 2016 19:20:07 GMT
Welcome folks recently exited UKV.
Hope you enjoy the more mellow and relaxed AAEC environment - so relaxed that you won't get shouted at or belittled from linking to a clone or a dodgy Chinese retailer that sells them.
But you'd do well to brush up on being nice to people, only taking the mick with a smile and chilling a little - as I realise you won't have used these skills for a while. ;-)
Anyway, nice to have you here - pull up a chair and I'll stick the kettle on...
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Post by ceedee on Dec 31, 2015 23:27:26 GMT
Aloha Heading down to Shenzhen for me inter-semester Spring Break (at least 10 degrees warmer than Xianning) - and have an FB friend at Anyvape ( Anyvape LJ) whose trying to organise a trip around the factory and facilities for me. Also got interest in an article from Spinfuel Ezine - so thought i'd ask the UK vapers if they have any questions or points they'd want me to ask or things to look at/for when i'm going around? I suspect they won't tell you much but any insights into their attitude to dealing with the EU's TPD requirements and that their current products will probably be refused authorisation would be interesting. Will they just ignore the TPD and switch to direct/internet sales direct into Europe's 'grey market' potentially attracting negative attention from our respective government authorities? Regardless of all that serious stuff, have a great time! |
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Post by ceedee on Dec 25, 2015 21:30:22 GMT
I hate it with a passion but the vaping groups, in particular, are really useful for instant information and feedback but almost completely useless for anything longer term.
It's clumsy and slow and never seems to do what you want, how you'd expect it to.
Grrrr.
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Post by ceedee on Dec 25, 2015 21:24:33 GMT
I can't think of a single reason why I shouldn't be finding new shops this evening....  Candy Clouds Vape Shop (Burnley) 6 Rosegrove Lane Rosegrove Burnley Lancashire BB12 6HX 07473 315314 / 07549 585665 www.vapestuff.co.ukMon-Fri 9am-6pm, Sat 9am-5pm |
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Post by ceedee on Dec 20, 2015 13:48:25 GMT
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Post by ceedee on Dec 18, 2015 12:02:58 GMT
What an extraordinary extended drip tip thing!
Has anyone squonked something like the Derringer?
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