What we have to deal with

[markm]

Apr 21, 2013 16:42:11 GMT lobeydosser said:

Hi Markem, There have already been members on here who are saying that their OHs have serious breathing issues with them vaping in the house, so there are clearly effects of some sort.

Whatever the "facts" (???) that some researchers are coming up with, you can be sure that the only published research is that that will promote whatever they are attempting to promote.

The bottom line is that some people do react to exhaled vapour and therefore it is not safe in 100% of the population. No matter what has been researched so far.

What do you think the tobacco companies would do if there was the tiniest speck of negative evidence regarding vaping?

That is what I used to decide it was safe to try them, the total lack of REAL negative medical evidence, there just isn't any!

Take a look at Vape Team Live, they come back to various studies on a regular bassis, this is an interesting episode:

[glenn25]

I totally agree that there seems to be good evidence to suggest they are safe but your not taking into account how others feel about this happening around them. In fact you seem to be of the mindset of F*** em I'll do what I want, I'm not suggesting we shouldn't be allowed to do this but that people who don't consider the other people around them are going to get this banned, you get it banned before legislation is in place or health care officials all say 'yea it's safe' then it doesn't matter about the law because most establishments would have made their own rules and not change them just because the evidence has appeared.

[Karma]

glenn25

we don't all think *** em! I talked about my feeling in this thread when I was confronted with the e-cig situation at my work

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/thread/20361/hypocrite

[lobeydosser]

<<< What do you think the tobacco companies would do if there was the tiniest speck of negative evidence regarding vaping?>>>

I am afraid that I am a whole lot more interested in the facts as presented by other forum members.
Some people are affeccted by the vapour that is given off when we are vaping.
We don't as yet know why this is and just because what research has been done, cannot explain this, does not mean that it is not so or that forum members are telling lies.

Just because these problems may be used by those who feel that vaping may reduce their profits is no excuse for us not to discuss them or hide the fact that they are there.

There could be a number of reasons why some people are bothered by vaping and it could be a simple as one or two flavours of e-juice that are perhaps giving off irritants when others do not, but until there is open and frank discussion of the facts, then we continue to vape in the dark and continue to get up some people's noses.

[markm]

Whoa folks, I am in no way suggesting a F......em attitude to non vipers, I am suggesting
That if they complain about you vaping at the bar then it would only be fair for
The vegetarian at the next table to also ask them To refrain from eating meat.
They are impositions of a very similar nature,.

And as regards the difference between scientific evidence and anecdotal, well I would have
thought that was self evident,.

Quite why you suggest I am advocating the suppression of negative information, well that's just
Not what I have said.

Please do your own research, there are recognised facts coming out all the time.
If we hope to defeat the attempted bans then we need to educate the legislators,
But I guess that will mean educating ourselves first.

[lobeydosser]

The arguement between meat eaters and vegitarians goes right over my head and so I will ignore it.

I do not need to do "research".
I do need to read the comments of other forum readers and take a balanced view that there is a lot more to vaping and vapers than what happens in my own home.

Whilst I am aware of outside factors that are going to infuence my future vaping, other than writing a few letters and contributing to the financial needs of those more experienced in fighting the good fight, all I need to do is keep an open mind and try to understand the consiquences towards myself if it turns out that vaping is not as squeaky clean as some vapers would lead us to believe.

I have invested quite heavily in my own future vaping but had there been any issues with vaping in my own home, I would not have done so.
My hobbies are such that no one else suffers in any way with what I do for my own pleasure.
That ofcourse would also apply to vaping in others company.

[glenn25]

I think the vegetarian is a vaper, they again will usually be the minority thats why even though they my not want meat served they are to small a group to stop it.

I didn't mean to cause too much offence with my F*** em comment but clearly we are at opposite ends of the argument and both set in our ways.

Medical issues aside and whats allowed aside the people will complain because sometimes they're bored, uninformed or just born complainers. I just think that we should always be cautious of where we vape if it happens to be in a place smoking is not allowed to make sure we don't start angering people.
not because we should pander to everyone but so it doesn't get banned everywhere, perhaps check with the establishment before vaping and perhaps start a thread with people listing Vape-Safe places, if the medical evidence is out there (i've still not looked at the links yet) then print of an A4 poster with some links and get it stuck up where you vape and if someone complains point them to it. It should probably contain links that they will not visit but will still feel more reassured than someone they just met telling them it's fine and healthy.

If someone is a bit of a hypochondriac and says it's making them cough or whatever then stop until they leave or move, it's far too easy for a small group get a really bad name from a few busy bodies and all of a sudden there's some campaign against it these days.