What we have to deal with

[sjs]

Apr 19, 2013 11:23:34 GMT Moggy said:

The biggest risk he faces, is if I ram my Vamo up his chocolate wizzwazz for infringing upon MY civil rights.

(Joining in on the 'comedy' element of it too)

Waste of a perfectly good Vamo monomach
I've got a couple of dud Ego batteries you can have
if the situation ever arises!



Seriously though some people think that vaping is just a way for us nasty smokers
to avoid the smoking ban. We have a guy at work who gave up smoking a few years
ago and he never stops whining about the smokers and vapers at work.

If stopping smoking the hard way makes you that miserable I'm glad I never managed it

[maccafan]

Apr 19, 2013 1:07:55 GMT womble said:

Well this is exactly what I'm saying, he doesn't like it, so what do we have to do to make him understand?

I've annoyed myself and got quite pissed off tbh today with him and he still has same the POV.

What I'm trying to say, is that, no matter what we say or do, there will always be someone against us.

It just happens in this life, that it's my great NDN.

Simple really..You could have someone sitting in the table next to you when having a meal either:

1. Picking their nose.

2. Giving off bad body odour

3. Wearing too much perfume of a type that offends your sensibilities.

4. Could be farting all the time.

When you are in a public place, you put up with it or drink and have your meal at home..

At the end of the day, the vaper is not causing your neighbour any harm, so whilst he has every right to feel whatever he wants, he's got to put up with it in a public area..End of..

[lobeydosser]

Apr 20, 2013 17:11:11 GMT giles said:

Apr 20, 2013 16:50:50 GMT lobeydosser said:

It may not have the tar that smoking leaves behind, but we have yet to find out just what is in that residual and if it would cause others harm.

Actually it has been fairly well researched Lobey. www.utahvapers.com/clearstream.html to link to just one.

That study only showed, quote "That e-smoking did not produce detectable amounts of toxic or carcinogenic substances in the air of an enclosed space" unquote. 

While I agree that vaping is cleaner than traditional smoking, it is far from squeaky clean. 

I have seen studies that say that only 60% of the nicotine in e-juice is absorbed in the body. 
Is the other 40% what is clinging to the inside of my study window?

[Raffles]

Apr 20, 2013 1:46:12 GMT digicig said:

From an outside and 'Armchair Psychology'/Transactional Analysis view Womble - whenever Vaping comes up he appears to go into 'Parent Mode' - and thee are in Adult mode trying to discuss vaping with him.
Parent and Adult can't communicate - and thee probably then get shifted to Child mode - as this usually happens.

If thee probably need to join him in Parent mode for a bit to shift him into Adult mode - where true communication is possible between equals
Or of course thee could try to shift him into Child mode and set him straight LoL

Gaawd, digcig, that brings back nightmares from management courses i went on years ago.

I won't say too much as I don't want to upset the 'believers' but I got through 40 years of management using common sense and treating people as I would like to be treated. Probably the reason I'm not retired to a Carribbean island, with dusky maidens at my beck and call.

I must admit it was interesting but felt it was a mere justification to keep the 'trainers' in a job.

[Karma]

Apr 20, 2013 18:51:30 GMT lobeydosser said:

Apr 20, 2013 17:11:11 GMT giles said:

I have seen studies that say that only 60% of the nicotine in e-juice is absorbed in the body. 
Is the other 40% what is clinging to the inside of my study window?

So, that's not a problem so long as nobody licks it 

[Jen]

Apr 20, 2013 19:21:37 GMT Raffles said:

Gaawd, digcig, that brings back nightmares from management courses i went on years ago.

I won't say too much as I don't want to upset the 'believers' but I got through 40 years of management using common sense and treating people as I would like to be treated. Probably the reason I'm not retired to a Carribbean island, with dusky maidens at my beck and call.

I must admit it was interesting but felt it was a mere justification to keep the 'trainers' in a job.

I did my BA in counselling studies, TA was one of many things we looked at. Then, in our third year, they told us only 7% of what made counselling effective was down to the methods used. Theories don't matter here, people do

This fact, by the way, royally pished me off and is the reason I ain't a counsellor. Total disillusionment for me

[lobeydosser]

Apr 20, 2013 19:29:21 GMT Karma said:

Apr 20, 2013 18:51:30 GMT lobeydosser said:

I have seen studies that say that only 60% of the nicotine in e-juice is absorbed in the body. 
Is the other 40% what is clinging to the inside of my study window?

So, that's not a problem so long as nobody licks it 

Well if I scrape it off and make up a mix with it, if it is 40%, i'll end up with a 9.6mg juice.

Maybe call it Crystal Vape.

[Karma]

Good thinking Lobey!

Just in case there is a ban, do not clean any windows! What a great way to store base

[matt1988]

Apr 20, 2013 20:12:16 GMT Karma said:

Good thinking Lobey!

Just in case there is a ban, do not clean any windows! What a great way to store base

I dont think lobeydosser has any issues with the stowing of nic base

[Arrowmunda]

I wanted to reply to this because this last week has been a little frustrating for me too regarding other people's attitudes towards vaping..

Having been vaping for almost 2 months and quit the stinkies for over a week with no withdrawals I was over the moon at work, yet when I told the non smokers I had quit, not one person agreed that I had actually quit at all and that I should only be classed as an ex smoker if I stop using an electronic cigarette too... or if I had quit cold turkey then that would be classed as an achievement.

I tried to argue that the patch or inhaler or gum is still nicotine yet people quitting using those methods are usually praised and supported yet people using an electronic cigarette are seen to be cheating or not seen to be quitting cigs at all.

Following conversations included that ecigs should be treated the same as real cigs etc etc...

I was annoyed, but at the end of the day I feel I have managed to quit real cigs, I feel healthier, it doesn't cost me as much and I enjoy it. I won't vape in front of my child or around people eating as I feel it's impolite but I will in pubs - if they do serve food and I am away from the people eating then I will Vape also.

I try to educate non smokers and the like if they are willing to listen but leave it at that and just try to enjoy my vaping experience.

Sorry for waffling and going off topic.

[matt1988]

Most people at work are supportive, but say it looks like a shisha haha.

And when I tell them the EU want to ban them they are genuinely shocked and have no idea why they would want to. I give them the for and against main points, and still have the same view.

My other half on the other hand is bugging me to get off them, and that I still smoke. My 6 year old is delighted though

[lobeydosser]

Apr 20, 2013 20:23:24 GMT matt1988 said:

Apr 20, 2013 20:12:16 GMT Karma said:

Good thinking Lobey!

Just in case there is a ban, do not clean any windows! What a great way to store base

I dont think lobeydosser has any issues with the stowing of nic base

I thank e kind Sir.

[majnu]

Apr 20, 2013 20:32:44 GMT Arrowmunda said:

I wanted to reply to this because this last week has been a little frustrating for me too regarding other people's attitudes towards vaping..

Having been vaping for almost 2 months and quit the stinkies for over a week with no withdrawals I was over the moon at work, yet when I told the non smokers I had quit, not one person agreed that I had actually quit at all and that I should only be classed as an ex smoker if I stop using an electronic cigarette too... or if I had quit cold turkey then that would be classed as an achievement.

I tried to argue that the patch or inhaler or gum is still nicotine yet people quitting using those methods are usually praised and supported yet people using an electronic cigarette are seen to be cheating or not seen to be quitting cigs at all.

Following conversations included that ecigs should be treated the same as real cigs etc etc...

I was annoyed, but at the end of the day I feel I have managed to quit real cigs, I feel healthier, it doesn't cost me as much and I enjoy it. I won't vape in front of my child or around people eating as I feel it's impolite but I will in pubs - if they do serve food and I am away from the people eating then I will Vape also.

I try to educate non smokers and the like if they are willing to listen but leave it at that and just try to enjoy my vaping experience.

Sorry for waffling and going off topic.

That is because the medical institute do not consider e-cigs as NRT. Why would they anyway they'll loose millions every year. 

It is down to every individual whether they want to totally quit their nicotine addition and e-cigs do help massively. Lower your nicotine dosage gradually and then sooner or later you'll loose any cravings. However the majority of vapours don't quit e-ciggs and whether that is because they cannot shake of their nicotine addition; they treat it as a social habit; they enjoy the flavours etc who knows, but as long as they aren't inhaling Carbon Monoxide, Tar and whatever else they put into cigarettes who gives a damn?

At the end of the day the e-cigs are less harmful to you and those around you than smoking so if people are arrogant to suggest otherwise then they are just bigots imo. 

[lobeydosser]

I vape at my local Bistro where, ofcourse, people are eating.

Indeed we do not drink and only go there to eat, ourselves.

But even although we know that they allow vaping, I still ask permission each time we go there simply because there may have been a change in their vaping policy.

However, by asking and getting the permission of the management, should anyone come over and object to me vaping, I would simply tell them to go and speak to the management.
That way I do not get confrontational with those who confront me with their problems.

[stewarty]

Apr 20, 2013 18:51:30 GMT lobeydosser said:

Apr 20, 2013 17:11:11 GMT giles said:

Actually it has been fairly well researched Lobey. www.utahvapers.com/clearstream.html to link to just one.

That study only showed, quote "That e-smoking did not produce detectable amounts of toxic or carcinogenic substances in the air of an enclosed space" unquote. 

While I agree that vaping is cleaner than traditional smoking, it is far from squeaky clean. 

I have seen studies that say that only 60% of the nicotine in e-juice is absorbed in the body. 
Is the other 40% what is clinging to the inside of my study window?

Buy yourself a wee greenhouse to vape in Loby and let the aphids get the 40% passive nicotine !!!!!

You will have the healthiest tomato plants in Argyll as a by product