british rail ban ecigs

[Pam O]

Just heard on the news, banned in stations and trains on the advice of the british medical association no less! it is hard to tell the difference between smoking and vaping apparently grrrrr

[raid2506]

That sucks, when will the stupidity end?

[markm]

It's about time they started banning people too, so hard to tell the difference between the public
And terrorists! Just ask the met police, oh hang on, lets ban the police too, they are a danger
To the travelling public!

[markm]

Just thinking this through, are they going to put up signs of some sort?
What would they look like, will the be pictorial or in many languages?
How much will that cost?
I doubt they will bother.
What I think will happen in the real world.
BR employee approaches a vapour, asks them to stop smoking, they say
It's an ecig, they are told you can't do that either.
Same employee sees someone with an ego, and doesn't bother as they can see they
are not smoking.
I think it's about saving face when they confront someone and have got it wrong.
Unless there are clear signs that you can't do something innocuous then there is no
Sensible reason why you should presume it is not allowed.
Carry on regardless I say.

[Chrissie]

This is very bad news

[andy01424]

Aug 8, 2013 8:06:27 GMT markm said:

Just thinking this through, are they going to put up signs of some sort?
What would they look like, will the be pictorial or in many languages?
How much will that cost?
I doubt they will bother.
What I think will happen in the real world.
BR employee approaches a vapour, asks them to stop smoking, they say
It's an ecig, they are told you can't do that either.
Same employee sees someone with an ego, and doesn't bother as they can see they
are not smoking.
I think it's about saving face when they confront someone and have got it wrong.
Unless there are clear signs that you can't do something innocuous then there is no
Sensible reason why you should presume it is not allowed.
Carry on regardless I say.

As it not acutally smoking and its not banned restricted yet ,i would imagine even if they said heres a fine,take it to court and they would more likely lose..

Court
You twas fined for smoking on Railway property
You
No i was vaping ecig ,basic water steam...no smoke- steam
Court
Case dismissed

[kibbster]

FFS!
Why can't all the meddling puritan holier than thou nanny state thought police just do one and die in a fire or something!
Sick of the lot of them jumping on the anti-vaping bandwagon.
Useless sacks of meat the bloody lot of them!

and breathe...

[markm]

The notion that they could make a fine stick is rediculous.
It would be almost impossible for someone who only has the vaguest notion of
Disposable cigs likes to frame a rule that would encompass the range of Pvs available.

[greendollar]

I was wondering exactly how they can enforce a ban on something that's not illegal ?

[dickyg]

Unfortunately they can impose restrictions as they see fit. The only way to affect them is to not use their service.

[Deleted]

Might be wrong, but just looking at it from their side......if a couple of peeps are vaping on the platform/train and someone else decides to light up a f*g, although they can smell the smoke they wouldn't be sure who to approach. A total ban makes their life simpler !

[remnant]

Aug 8, 2013 6:34:27 GMT Pam O said:

Just heard on the news, banned in stations and trains on the advice of the british medical association no less! it is hard to tell the difference between smoking and vaping apparently grrrrr

Is there a link for this? I'd be interested to read the BMA's justification for this nonsense. I take it that said justification is not based on anything so vulgar as evidence?

In all fairness, though, I suppose it *is* difficult to tell the difference between smoking and vaping, if you're a numpty.

[prr]

My suspicion is that the BMA haven't actively said vaping is dangerous, merely that there is no evidence whether it's long term use is or isn't dangerous and railtrack are using this as an excuse. However even though vaping isn't illegal neither is smoking and the ban is implimented by issuing a by law which IS legally enforceable and all fines lawful, unfortunately there would be no "case dismissed" decisions in a court.

[Yorkshireman]

So if someone lights up a stinky and i am vaping with a box mod nobody can tell the difference,maybe they will think i have a bomb,can't win.

[Perpetua]

Googling I can only find these related articles . . . Scotrail is from June:

www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman-2-7475/transport/scotrail-stubs-out-electronic-cigarettes-on-trains-1-2966678

A piece from Joyetech:

www.joyetech.co.uk/news/backlash-as-train-operator-bans-e-cigarettes

Is it old news that has been re-hashed, in line with the old BMA report.


Or are there just not enough disasters in the world currently for the media to focus on.