The TPD means nothing

[mart166]

As not been on for a while, just catching up on threads, i've been involved with campaings against TDP, and can speak as vapor coming up for his 6th year next month (veteran lol)

If this comes into force it's the B&M shops I feel most sorry for, then the converts from smoking that will never happen. My point of view is I buy direct from China, they must be rubbing hands at these prospects, never once have I recieved a parcel mentioning vaping, bought a lot of flashlight spares, essential oils and household products !!
I have not stockpiled and do not plan to, for us experianced vapors it will not stop on April 2016, but I do agree with a lot said here and it's not fair we are being dictated to by people who know nothing.
Just my little rant, sorry.

MP

[Deleted]

It looks like we will all be heading to the silk road for all our vaping needs.

[Phoenix .]

Apr 6, 2015 20:27:57 GMT buggritt said:

Make that hundreds of thousands. Never mind vape shops, there's a general election around the corner. Hammer your MP. Mine must be sick to death of me.

Mine never replies and she is Euro MP!

[sydsut]

Apr 7, 2015 16:15:20 GMT Phoenix . said:

Apr 6, 2015 20:27:57 GMT buggritt said:

Make that hundreds of thousands. Never mind vape shops, there's a general election around the corner. Hammer your MP. Mine must be sick to death of me.

Mine never replies and she is Euro MP!

They're only interested in us poor bloody voters come election time Phoenix .

[reddragon]

I got a reply from my MEP today from an email I sent on 19th February regarding the European Commission Fiscalis Project meeting 8th February 2015. Reply shown here

[Phoenix .]

Apr 7, 2015 16:24:07 GMT sydsut said:

Apr 7, 2015 16:15:20 GMT Phoenix . said:

Mine never replies and she is Euro MP!

They're only interested in us poor bloody voters come election time Phoenix .

Yes, I am just waiting for her to knock on my door asking me to vote for her !

[Phoenix .]

Well that was a very interesting discussion.I am not quite sure which way to go myself, whilst I am planning to be here for a few more years yet, some body 'up there' may have different plans for me.

I think I will just stock up on whatever I can afford to last me until next year, see what happens then. I have a lot of 'old' stuff I can fall back on.
I will continue to fight the fight with you all as best I can.

[DiscoDes]

As you may know I have been trying to "do my bit" and whilst I think that many people hit a "brick wall" with their MP's it at least raises the subject in their minds.

As to TPD implementation I agree, it will still be possible to buy hardware quite easily from China, with goods described as Torches and such like.

I would think the easiest thing for the Government to control however is Nicotine Base Liquid, I can see there being much tighter control on the importation (I don't think we actually make any here) They will probably do this (if they did) by either raising the import duty on it, allowing it's import to "registered importers" only or possibly banning it altogether. That is where I think the hammer is most likely to fall.

As others have said I think the biggest shame will be for all the potential vapers that it will probably be much harder for them to switch to vaping, common sense should prevail but we are talking about Politics here and common sense is often brushed aside.

[Bobsbeer]

Apr 7, 2015 17:04:38 GMT DiscoDes said:

...common sense should prevail but we are talking about Politics here and common sense is often brushed aside...

Common sense and politics have never been used in the same sentence before, so I hold out little hope there.

But I agree the biggest issue for most will be the availability of nic to make your juice. While commercially mixed juice will still be available, the option to mix to your own recipe will be limited. But if the worst came to the worst you could still buy 10ml bottles of 20% nic without flavouring and mix from there. Or buy from China and hope it gets through.

[Deleted]

Apr 7, 2015 17:59:13 GMT Bobsbeer said:

Apr 7, 2015 17:04:38 GMT DiscoDes said:

...common sense should prevail but we are talking about Politics here and common sense is often brushed aside...

Common sense and politics have never been used in the same sentence before, so I hold out little hope there.

But I agree the biggest issue for most will be the availability of nic to make your juice. While commercially mixed juice will still be available, the option to mix to your own recipe will be limited. But if the worst came to the worst you could still buy 10ml bottles of 20% nic without flavouring and mix from there. Or buy from China and hope it gets through.

What about common sense and public health! I'll get my coat

[Perpetua]

Apr 7, 2015 17:04:38 GMT DiscoDes said:

I would think the easiest thing for the Government to control however is Nicotine Base Liquid, I can see there being much tighter control on the importation (I don't think we actually make any here) They will probably do this (if they did) by either raising the import duty on it, allowing it's import to "registered importers" only or possibly banning it altogether. That is where I think the hammer is most likely to fall.

We do in the UK Des . . . although how easy it will be to import the raw materials required, I've no idea.

www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+made+nicotine+base&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=6CckVcC0OY_PaN-9gIgE

[ceedee]

A potential loop-hole is that the TPD states that "Nicotine-containing liquid should only be allowed to be placed on the market under this Directive, where the nicotine concentration does not exceed 20 mg/ml".
I've not checked with Tom Pruen but I wonder if "placed on the market" could be interpreted into UK law as retail sales (ie. to the public).
If so, we'd all need to set up bona fide business using stronger concentrates.

[Montana]

Hopefully someone can clarify or direct me to the answer for a question I have.

Regarding Mods and atty's , that we already own.Are we still going to be able to use mods come the TPD implementation as they DON'T give a consistent dose and atty's because they are not leak free ?

I ask this because , if the TPD says that existing as well as new products have to abide by these rules we will be right royally F**KED , as NO-ONE has these.

As far as the Tobacco industry making these kinds of products , or big Pharma for that matter , I don't think they will even bother.I mean , why would they spend 10's of millions of £'s making and getting them passed for sale with such a minimal return , be it hardware or juice.The market isn't big enough for them to warrant the outlay , without making them SO expensive that they won't be a viable alternative to smoking.Plus , both Big T already have the manufacture of cigarettes going , so why stop and Big P have the drugs for the diseases they cause.

I see this whole TPD being a triangle.Smoking needs to exist for the Pharma to sell expensive drugs ( 2 lots of sales , with tobacco and drugs ) , both of which give the government of which ever country much needed ( so the politicians say ) revenue.So the government won't ban smoking , because they get 2 revenue streams from Big T and Big P , not forgetting the "Donations" these two groups also give to the government.

As many people have said , it's NEVER been about public health or safety , it's about the money and how quickly they can take it out of our hands.


Andy

[tim]

I too feel that the biggest losers will be those just quitting tobacco and the B&M's.

Big Pharma and Big Tobacco work as a team, much the same way as cartels in other industries. One creates the market, the other provides the cure. Both at a huge cost. They are the driving force behind the TPD. It will happen. Nothing will stop the money from working in any government. It merely remains to be seen how much each country implements it. Many countries will ignore it, mainly. But has the UK ever disobeyed what the EC order? (remember the LBs/Kilo's fiasco?). It will happen in this country, without doubt.

Nicotine base will be the hardest hit for established vapers, but there will be a black market for it. I personally don't wish to visit a crack den to buy mine though!

[tim]

Apr 7, 2015 22:20:55 GMT Montana said:

Hopefully someone can clarify or direct me to the answer for a question I have.

Regarding Mods and atty's , that we already own.Are we still going to be able to use mods come the TPD implementation as they DON'T give a consistent dose and atty's because they are not leak free ?

I ask this because , if the TPD says that existing as well as new products have to abide by these rules we will be right royally F**KED , as NO-ONE has these.

As far as the Tobacco industry making these kinds of products , or big Pharma for that matter , I don't think they will even bother.I mean , why would they spend 10's of millions of £'s making and getting them passed for sale with such a minimal return , be it hardware or juice.The market isn't big enough for them to warrant the outlay , without making them SO expensive that they won't be a viable alternative to smoking.Plus , both Big T already have the manufacture of cigarettes going to why stop and Big P have the drugs for the diseases they cause.

I see this whole TPD being a trinagle.Smoking needs to exist for the Pharma to sell expensive drugs ( 2 lots of sales , with tobacco and drugs ) , both of which give the government of which ever country much needed ( so the politicians say ) revenue.So the government won't ban smoking , because they get 2 revenue streams from Big T and Big P , not forgetting the "Donations" these two groups also give to the government.

As many people have said , it's NEVER been about public health or safety , it's about the money and how quickly they can take it out of our hands.


Andy

I'm not sure about existingly owned gear, but stock will not be for sale.

Hit the nail on the head Andy.

The rest of your post is correct too.