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13 / 50 / 100 = 0,0026
Actually, for me, price isn't the most important factor. Safety and quality are. Origin, availability and the vendor should play a big role, too. So, with all the "%§$"&§%$ math aside, go and buy from the vendor you feel most comfortable with. My own supply is from a german source and you might want to pick a UK vendor, maybe even one who answers vaping questions in the middle of the night on 31/12 =)

The "real smoldered tobacco" taste is what you can find in good, home made cigars like our fathers made themselves in the bad old days of war (Yes, I am that old). They have the "green hay smell" when you smell the unlit cigar, but they do not predominantly taste thus when smoked.

Big tobacco uses a lot of chemicals, but the quote of "thousands of chemicals" is misleading. They may have dozens in a particular brand, of course, but the "thousands" of chemicals are found in the _smoke_, not the tobacco itself. They are the result of smoldering (=oxidizing, de-naturing and cracking - I am not sure these are the correct English termini, sorry) the leaves. That happens at high temperatures that we can not achieve with our devices and that we do not want, for obvious reasons.

Many people have tried rebuilding the taste of tobacco smoke for a long time, F'arts even used gas chromatography and complex chemical methods, but it never worked out perfectly.

The "ultimate" series from F'arts are direct results of duplicating the smoke via chemical engineering. In my view, they are the best that are available at this time, but they still don't come close, because they fokus on the predominant flavours (the peaks on the GC) and leave out the more subtle ones. So, they are not complete, but rather "in your face" and simple.

Latakia (which is, interestingly enough, not an "ultimate") for an example condenses the "strong", "black", really awful taste a black cigarillo has. That is the taste that lacks in the mellower "Royal" and "Tuscan ultimate", which focus on the "cigarette with a hint of vanilla and fruit or nut" taste of modern cigarettes.

So I found that mixing the different flavourings on the market can recreate the complex tobacco smoke taste better than a single one.

But I also found that I moved away from the desire of having a "real tobacco" taste. Vaping is more than a simple replacement. It is a completely new way of tasting flavours, much like mixing cocktails or cooking. And I love my Capella Vanilla Custard better than I like my T2 tobacco smoke wannabe liquid =)

All of the above is just my experience and might be completely wrong, of course =)

I am not going to comment on the latitude of sister Perpetua! Let us focus on the planets and the tea. And yak butter (without diacetyl, of course).

Poor jax. I am really sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your thread. I'll

Heh, yeah, we've had that same discussion in the German mixer forums as well. Some like more flavour than others, of course, but there is more to it.

There is a certain flavouring (CBV Waldmeister), sweet woodruff, that is very delicate to make use of, a tad too low and it will taste like base, a tad too much and it becomes bitter and awful. But exactly right it's divine. Now there was almost bad blood over what is "exactly right" - some insisted around 5% of a 10% solution was right - so basically 0,5%. Others insisted you need at least 10% of the pure stuff to taste anything.

We found out that it's all down to steeping. If you want the taste NOW you can use 6% of the CBV Waldmeister stuff and it will have a very simple and FLASHY taste of woodruff. But the liquid will only taste good for a day or two, then it will develop unpleasant undertones. I am using ~2% and let it sit for months until it tastes good - and it will be a lot more complex than the one that has the sledgehammer type dosage, but it will be as strong a taste as the 6%.

You could use 20%, of course

Hi Andy - are you talking about an e-juice you bought somewhere and try to reproduce? If so, where did you buy it?
Or are you trying to mimic the taste of the smoldered tobacco? Because that won't work, unfortunately.

In my experience there are two very different types of tobacco juices: The type that is made by steeping real tobacco (Alchemists tobacco juices, House of Liquids El Toro) and the type that uses artificial flavouring for an "ashtray" type of taste (anything else, really).

The "real tobacco" juices have a greenish, fresh taste and smell a bit like fresh hay.
The artificial types are very different, often a bit peppery or even salty, some are sweet, some not-so-sweet, but none taste like a specific cigarette or tobacco.

I do use a recipe for my own base tobacco liquid, which contains low concentrations of FlavourArt Latakia (0,5%), RY4 (1%) and Royal (1-2%) and that I like as an all day vape. But you can't really compare it to the real thing.

Glycerine and propylene glycol are two different chemicals, and both are commonly used in our liquids. Glycerine is usually called VG and propylene glycol is PG.
Liquids are often mixes of the two, plus flavour and nicotine.

What did you buy it for, anyway?

Mintalyptus juice with extra menthol!