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Post by neptune on Jun 14, 2013 12:23:39 GMT
matt1988. Why would e cigs need to issue an exact amount of nicotine? I will guarantee that if you buy a packet of cigarettes, the nicotine will vary from one cig to another, and one packet to another. Nobody dies as a result. When you drink coffee, your caffeine intake will vary from one sip to another, as you can take bigger or smaller sips. Nobody dies as a result. "Exact Doses" are an attribute of medicines, use to treat diseases.
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Post by neptune on Jun 12, 2013 14:18:01 GMT
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Post by neptune on Jun 12, 2013 14:17:33 GMT
my take on it is this. If medical regulation becomes fact. Existing retailers will survive, and will not necessarily need a license, as long as they are selling brands and models that are licensed. It is manufacturers that will need a license. Problem is that a separate license will be required for each product, and for each permitted flavour. That will severely restrict choice. I have my own arrangements in place, so McAvon can go and f**k herself.
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Post by neptune on Jun 11, 2013 18:51:48 GMT
One possible problem we may face in the short term is the panic buying of Nicotine. There is every likelyhood that any restrictions imposed as a result of the MHRA will take a couple of years to bite. So we may have bigger problems coming from the EU before that, which could take effect as early as autumn. Or, if we are fortunate, EU regs may be postponed until after the 2014 Euro elections. The problem is that people will base their buying patterns on not what will happen, but what MIGHT happen, causing suppliers to run out of stock. Hopefully, they will have plenty of time to re stock before the excrement makes contact with the rotary ventilation apparatus.
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Post by neptune on Jun 7, 2013 8:27:35 GMT
Matt Gluggles. Sorry if my post came across as a bit anal. To some extent I was playing the devil`s advocate. At least it provoked some discussion, which was my aim.
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Post by neptune on Jun 6, 2013 18:22:51 GMT
Hi Gluggler, and many thanks for bringing this to the attention of the forum. To be honest, I have mixed feelings about this. New technology? I am not too sure about that. To me it sounds like PWM [pulse width modulation] with the addition of a temperature sensor and a feedback system, so it is new in that sense, but I don`t believe that it is a radical step forward compared to any variable voltage device. It also looks there is a choice of two flavours. I suppose that is 100% better than Henry Fords Model T which was available in any colour so long as it was black, and you had two choices, take it or leave it.
The other thing that worries me is the money and power available to Big Tobacco. I am sure that no one objects to BT having a slice of the pie, provided it is won on merit. The problem is that for the best part of a century, they have kind of got used to having the whole pie, and would quite like to continue to do so. And woe betide anyone who gets between them and the pie. Their main tactic is to spend vast amounts on lobbying to ensure that the regulations are so complicated as to be unafordable. Except of course...by them.
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Post by neptune on Jun 5, 2013 8:51:06 GMT
@kibster, re ugly people. I could do that. Gissa job!
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Post by neptune on Jun 5, 2013 8:04:06 GMT
A generally positive article. We are still seeing e cigs described as a form of NRT, a purpose for which they are not intended. As for E-lites, don`t get me started. Their advertising slogan ought to be "Smokers, do you feel the need to pay more for your nicotine?" I know it is early days, but we need to educate people about affordable vaping. This business of e cigs in schools is not IMO quite so straight forward as it appears. There is no way we want to recruit new nicotine addicts. The thing that worries me, is what about those kids who are already addicted to cigs. They can go to the stop smoking clinic, and get patches, gum and other stuff that does not work. So I need to ask the question. Can we morally deny them the one thing that does work? Should we ban cans of soft drinks at school? After all, they "look like" cans of beer. There are as always more questions than answers.
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Post by neptune on May 29, 2013 9:51:41 GMT
"Lead us not into temptation..." It is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that cigarette cravings will decline in a linear manner over time. This has not been my experience. I get an occasional crisis from time to time. I had a particularly bad one about three months after quitting. I overcame it by changing from 11mg juice up to 18 mg. I also bought a tin of snuff. I bought it for emergencies, but having bought it, I decided to try it the once, and have not touched it since. I don`t want it to become a habit. It really works, a good pinch up each nostril, and you can`t even think about smoking or vaping for about three hours without feeling sick. At the minute, I use both 11 and 18 mg at different times of the day. Be warned that it would be easy to pick up a snuff addiction, but snuff is a lot less of a health threat than cigarettes.
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Post by neptune on May 26, 2013 19:18:37 GMT
I have never owned a Vivi Nova, although I have thought about getting one. Someone said that it vaped too airily for their taste. I have a theory on airy vapes. All you need to dois restrict the air inlet. First locate the air inlet hole or holes. If you cant find it/ them, do the following. Take a good drag, and halfway through, change from sucking to blowing. Vapour will come out of the air hole. If there are two holes, cover one with your finger and try a drag. If this is better, cover the hole with a small sticker or a piece of sticky tape. If there is only one hole, try covering it with a sticker. Then make a tiny hole in the sticker with a needle. Gradually enlarge the whole until you get the desired result.
I have often thought that someone should make a device with a variable air inlet. A bit like the choke on a carburretor. It would have too uses, finding the ideal vapour air ratio, and also a means of cutting down by gradually increasing the air over a period to give less nicotine.
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Post by neptune on May 25, 2013 19:55:32 GMT
Thanks for the tips. I will try bicarb. Has anyone tried one of the sonic or ultrasonic cleaning baths? My dentures are not too bad, but since I switched to vaping I would like to get rid of smoking related stains.
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Post by neptune on May 25, 2013 19:06:11 GMT
I am 67 years old. I have worn a full set of dentures, both upper and lower since I was 18. I have had my current dentures for many years, and generally they are in good condition. However, as a result of smoking for many years, they have become stained with deposits from cigarette smoke. As I no longer smoke, I would like to get rid of these stains. Every commercial product I have tried is only partly successful. I did consider having them cleaned by a dentist, but I would not want to be without them for more than a few hours, as i can not eat without them. Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, how was it dealt with ?
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Post by neptune on May 25, 2013 11:24:17 GMT
Lobeydosser, The question that you pose at the start of your post is an interesting one. It is a trap that is easy to fall into, and for several reasons, I have to make a conscious effort not to fall into it myself. Firstly, my wife still smokes. I have tried to get her vaping, but very limited success. A lot of our friends who visit are smokers. It would be a big advantage to me if we declared our house as a non smoking house, and it is something my wife would be happy to do, especially during the summer months when it would not be unpleasant to go outside to smoke.
I have avoided doing this for several reasons. When I was a smoker, I felt much more welcome at houses where smoking was the accepted thing. For many years we have not smoked in the front room where we watch TV. We always smoked in the dining room. So if my wife is smoking and it bothers me, I leave the room. It would not bother me much if people smoked in pubs and other public places, especially if the room is a large one. To me it is all about balance and compromise.
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Post by neptune on May 25, 2013 9:46:19 GMT
Karma.Many thanks for the abstract from the original article. I could not access the original article, as, for me, the links did not work. I wonder if the original report named brand names, although that is unlikely. In my opinion, we can take three positive things from this. 1`. No Ethylene glycol and no diethylene glycol. So no "Anti Freeze". FDA eat your heart out. 2. The worst samples tested showed higher levels of nicotine degradation products that NRT products from Big Pharma. So in the worst case scenario, we have an e cig that instead of being 99% safer than tobacco, is only 98% safer. 3. Big Pharma has had years of experience dealing with nicotine and its degradation products. Thus the technology is out there to extract store and mix nicotine, with minimal degradation products. It is still very early days for vaping technology. Although vaping is already orders of magnitude safer than smoking, further research will enable us to minimise undesirable by products in both e liquid, and vapour. For instance formaldehyde, an undesirable compound, is found in the vapour of some e cigs. Some devices have as much as 50 times as much compared to others. We need to find out why, and keep it to the lower figure. The same applies to undesirables in e liquid. It is interesting to note that among the degradation products were Anabatine, and anabasine. Both of these compounds are Whole tobacco Alkaloids [WTAs} You normally have to pay extra for those!
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Post by neptune on May 23, 2013 15:05:23 GMT
I would be interested to hear members views regarding any forthcoming ban, or an effective ban. I know that everything is up in the air at the moment. A lot of amendments haver been proposed to the TPD, and have yet to be voted on. If all or some of Linda McAvens proposals are adopted, we get a three years grace period from the date the proposals are adopted. A more immediate threat may well come from the MHRA. If , as they claim, they report this spring, it will obviously be soon. Any ban they implement could happen as soon as 21 days after their announcement. I know it is impossible to predict the future, but I would like to hear views.
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