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Post by neptune on May 23, 2013 13:03:45 GMT
Blownupdolly. Of course you are not a weirdo. I am very happy that your transition to vaping has been painless. The thing is, we are all different, and that does not make anyone better than anyone else. I suspect also that smokers smoke for a variety of reasons, and quitters quit for different reasons. I am a pensioner living on a very low income. To me , the big advantage of quitting is that for the first time, I have money to spend on myself. As I can no longer afford a car, I bike everywhere, and since switching, I can pedal further without fatigue. So all in all, the discomfort of quitting, or switching, has been well worth while.
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Post by neptune on May 23, 2013 10:15:56 GMT
Lobeydosser. You say that smokers need a good reason to change to e cigs. Personally, in a way, I stopped smoking by accident. I tried an e cig, and whilst it it was not as good as smoking, I felt that it was the nearest thing to smoking I had ever found. However, I had made numerous quit attempts previously, and quit for various periods, including, in one case, three years. So on one level, it could be argued that I wanted to quit. I have no plans to go back to cigarettes, although I have been tempted. I will agree that for me, vaping is not as good as smoking. You mention the "Zing" factor, that is missing. I agree, and I would say that what this is, is the speed at which the nicotine reaches the brain in a cigarette compared to vaping. I avoid having any cigarettes, as I know if I have just one, I would go back to smoking. I do not judge others who have a different approach. I consider it likely that there will always be smokers, but believe that the day will come when vapers outnumber smokers.How soon that day comes will depend on how much misguided politicians interfere with progress.
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Post by neptune on May 22, 2013 20:59:11 GMT
lobeydosser. OK I understand that UKIP is not flavour of the month in Scotland. In spite of working in Scotland years ago, and becoming fond of the place, I have never pretended to understand politics. But I would probably vote for anyone to preserve my right to vote. My main point was that if he is promoting e cigs, then he ought to use one instead of his usual fags. For Crystal meth, read any illegal drug. Personally, if I could only buy nicotine down dark alleys, I would do so, and stuff the state and its revenue. After all people do not hesitate to buy black market tobacco, and the state looses revenue there. I personally have a nic stash. Not everyone has, and I predict a vast black market if a ban occurs. We need to unite. Let us not permit our political differences blind us to the things we have in common.
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Post by neptune on May 22, 2013 19:22:36 GMT
I voted UKIP in the local elections. Purely for protest against the status quo. Ever heard the expression "put your money where your mouth is."? So Farage needs to put an e cig where his fag is. What a wasted photo opportunity. Someone really needs to tell him. Rebecca Taylor thinks that e cigs need to be regulated to protect consumers from poorly performing devices. Bullshine. Market forces will do that. Consumers are not children. lobeydosser. Extracting nicotine from tobacco at home is indeed a dangerous practice. So is the manufacture of Crystal meth. So most people realise this, and those wanting said substance will tend to buy it down shady alleyways in the dark, whilst helping to subsidise organised crime, and helping to fuel gang warfare, and robbing the state of revenue. It will be exactly the same with nicotine. Those that fail to learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them.
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Post by neptune on May 22, 2013 10:02:37 GMT
For far too long, tobacco tax has been a Government cash cow. Cigarettes are taxed at 89 pence in the pound. This is a higher rate of tax than is demanded on petrol. It has been justified by lying that smokers cost more in Health Care than the money from tobacco tax. Meanwhile smokers have been vilified, "denormalised" and dehumanised. Smokers should be encouraged to quit. There are no moral grounds for ANY tax on e cigs, when ex smokers are trying to improve their health at their own expense. For a change, how about some honesty from Government. Let all citizens pay to make up the deficit caused by the death of Big Cig. And while we are at it, lets simplify the whole tax system. Income tax to be paid at a fixed percentage on all earnings over say £12000 a year. No ifs, no buts, no allowances, no complications. Sack three quarters of accountants and tax workers. Sorted.
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Post by neptune on May 18, 2013 15:58:56 GMT
It has been said that there is nothing so powerful as an idea who`s time has come, and so it is with vaping. The problem is that when a powerful organisation has existed for a long time, overcoming all obstacles on the way, its perpetrators start to believe that they have a divine right to continue forever. I am talking here about Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, MHRA, and all the other alphabet soup brigade. If we look at history, we find that eventually the excrement comes into contact with the rotary ventilation apparatus. There are still massive battles to be fought. But this affair, as well as giving us what we demand and are entitled to, is likely to expose all the cracks and corruption in the whole Corruptocracy. Slowly but surely, the worm is turning. Take the Dalligate thing. It is not over. We`ve only just begun.
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Post by neptune on May 17, 2013 14:34:22 GMT
@totaliquidtony. I have to agree with what you say. One problem we have, is that only about 20% of people smoke. That percentage is even less among people from higher income groups. So few MPs or MEPs have ever smoked. Therefore they can not speak about smoking from a personal experience. I was going to say that it would be like taking sexual advice from a priest. But having thought about it, that is not a good comparison.
Flavours are of enormous importance for several reasons. An e juice without flavour would be very bland and harsh. It would put people off from the first drag. Equally important is the effect it would have in Sweden. Sweden refused to join the EU unless they were allowed to continue to use SNUS, their favourite smokeless tobacco product. Without flavour, snus would be virtually unusable. So this is just a back door ban on snus.
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Post by neptune on May 14, 2013 16:42:22 GMT
How about we declare June 1st as "No WHO Day".
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Post by neptune on May 10, 2013 13:43:19 GMT
@djs. E cigs are, or can be a very real fire risk, but in a different way to conventional cigarettes. The danger, comes from batteries and chargers. Both are often made in China. China is a boon to us, but remember stuff is often built to a price. Any lithium battery, and any charger can be a fire risk. But if it happens to be an e cig battery or charger, the press and the ANTZ will seize on it with delight. Here are some common sense precautions you can take . 1. Never allow batteries to charge unattended, and NEVER overnight. 2. Disconnect the charger from the mains as soon as the battery is fully charged. 3. Never disconnect the battery from the charger whilst leaving the charger connected to the mains or USB socket. 4. Whilst on charge, place the battery on a non flammable surface, or inside a purpose made fireproof bag. 5. Do not use a mains socket in the kitchen which is below an overhanging wall cupboard.
I always swap and charge batteries at 8pm, so charging is finished by bedtime. As a part of my pre bed house check, I ensure no batteries are on charge. Take care y`all.
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Post by neptune on May 10, 2013 13:27:25 GMT
The bottom line as I see it is that we all have different ways to tackle life and its problems. Being a skinny little guy, my best, and often only weapon has been a diplomatic approach. Having had a lot of practice, I find that this method works best for me. Since I retired, and had to quit driving, I travel by train a bit, usually on local journeys. I got on a train last week, and, unusually for Lincolnshire, it was quite crowded. I have asked railway staff, and they are OK with vaping on trains, so I often do. I try to find a seat away from others to vape. On this occasion, this was not an option. An old, well dressed guy came and sat opposite me. I started vaping. Suddenly he stood up, waving his arms around and pointing to a no smoking sign. " Smoking is not allowed on trains." he said.I said "I am not smoking, I am using an electronic cigarette." He just sort of grunted. After a pause, I said, " If it bothers you, i will stop doing it." He made no reply,so after a pause, I said, "Do you want me to stop doing it?" He said, "No, you`re all right." So I had handled it in a diplomatic way, as best as I could.I think his initial reaction had been a knee jerk reaction, and he had not noticed the difference between my Ego and a cigarette.
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Post by neptune on May 10, 2013 9:41:52 GMT
And talking of buying condoms. A guy goes into a shop." Can I have three condoms please miss?" The lady behind the counter is upset. "Dont you `miss` me!" she says. The guy says " better make that four, then."
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Post by neptune on May 8, 2013 11:19:24 GMT
vereybowring. Many thanks for posting that link and enabling me to watch the meeting. It is very much appreciated.
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Post by neptune on May 7, 2013 19:45:26 GMT
I am very disappointed that work forced me to miss the live broadcast. I am also disappointed that in spite of spending a lot of time searching, I have been unable to find a recording or better still a transcript. If such a thing exists, it would be beneficial to everyone for future reference. Can anyone helpout here please?
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Post by neptune on May 7, 2013 15:39:23 GMT
Sadly I missed this ENVI thing, by having to work at short notice. Does anyone know of a link where one can watch a recording please? Judging by comments so far, things are not looking altogether positive. I too willbe ordering more nicbase.
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Post by neptune on May 3, 2013 12:14:48 GMT
In our medicine cabinet we have a bottle of sleeping pills, prescribed for my wife. The safety label says "Caution, may cause drowsiness."
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