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et, as Get Off My Cloud above says, that doesn't actually make any comment if the addiction has actual harm - to the person or society.
I am addicted to caffeine. I'll suffer if supply is withheld. As I'll bet many of those naysayers are. Does that addiction trouble them? It certainly doesn't me.
Me either, but hardline smoking cessation 'professionals' from our health service can often be heard in the media saying that total abstinence is the only sure fire way of reducing harm from smoking. They're going to have a field day with this and cause us vapers more heartache than even TPD managed.
Honestly i don't really give a monkeys about them being addictive like cigs, nobody ever died from addiction it's the thing they are addicted to which kills them so unless they show nic salts cause serious disease or some health impact comparable to tobacco then i'm not gonna stress about nic salts being addictive. It might even be a benefit for smokers to start vaping with nic salts rather than regular base, the more instant hit should help them from needing to dual fuel meaning they're off the cancer sticks completely quicker.
From the article:
But young people do use Juuls, according to a wave of reporting from the New York Times and New Yorker. Even though tobacco use has dropped overall since 2011 for teens and adolescents, there’s still a “disturbingly high number of youth who are using e-cigarettes and vaping products,” the FDA says in a statement. And the FDA has demanded that Juul Labs Inc. hand over details about its products.
The puritans are already getting uppity, itching for something more to ban.
It seems to show that the nic salts replicate that cigarette hit that is so addictive and habit forming compared to the gentler, slower acting 'freebase' nic that we currently use. It looks like big tobacco has devised a way to get everybody back on the treadmill of repeat purchase, pre-packed nicotine hits. That's why their start-up is worth so much. They have crack cocaine of the vaping world. This is likely to give a ton of ammo to the anti-smoking, "one more ban from nirvana" safety Sallies too. Not good.
When i broke my coxsyx (spelling?)... i had to go to doctor on mrs orders. Whilst i was there i took my mod out pocket and put it on his desk. He noticed, nodded at the mod and said "thats the best medical invention in recent years, just wish more smokers would make the leap". This is coming from a doctor that has written books on the proffession. From that point onwards i havent worried about what vaping does to me lol
Coccyx - and ouch! I didn't break mine, just bruised ir badly going A over T down the stairs. Effing agony.
in the early days, the 24mg 2ml-a-day was very much consumed in the same way as smoking, i.e. toot for a short while, stop for an hour-ish, rinse & repeat. These days the 9mg 5-6ml-a-day is much more of a grazing pattern. I think that if I grazed at 24mg I'd end up in "nic overdose" like many of us used to in the early days, headache, nausea, etc. whilst getting used to the whole new vaping thing.
Think I'm gonna have to mix some 18mg this weekend...it'll take a couple or three weeks to steep, so won't be starting "the experiment" until partway through July. We'll see what happens......
Yes, I started on 24mg - it was necessary to mimic roll-up strength and to make up for the weediness of devices and cartos of the day. Once carto tanks and decent clearos came along, onset of nic poisoning started to happen after a long session. I have slowly gone down first to 18 mg, now to 12mg and my usage isn't up as much as I thought, certainly not double what I used to use. Planning on dropping again in a year or so, so hpefully my nic stock pile will last a bit longer.
I think the trick is gentle reduction. Apparently the body produces more nicotine receptors in heavy smokers, so gentle reduction is necessary to allow the body to adjust back.
Post by domesticextremist on Jun 29, 2018 15:37:01 GMT
Dunno about my doctor (don't see him very often, touch wood), but my dentist heartily approves of my vaping. It certainly helps a ton with dental health, fewer fillings, fewer infections, less receding of gums and less scale and polish episodes. I don't know why the stop smoking brigade haven't made more of the negative effects on dental health that stinkies have.
Post by domesticextremist on Jun 14, 2018 23:24:57 GMT
Great tanks for the money. Got two of the SXK clones. Easy to coil and rewick. Bottom fill is a bit of a drag and the tank plastic not the best. Avoid the PMMA replacements but buy a couple of spare PC tanks with your order. Great flavour from a MTL tank and a lot less pernicketty than a KF3 mini.
Others have tried the YFTK and iirc found it a bit airier. Can't say for the no-name clones.
For the price there is little to lose as a FT stocking filler
Democracy only works if there is fairness and honesty, the American public have been outrageously lied to by it's own governing bodies, local, state and the Federal Government. As Trump has shown, just keep on lying and the electorate will believe it. I despair of this so called educated world we live in.
Well, that's a different argument. I'm neither for nor against Trump, but in that election there was a largeish turnout and, importantly, a choice. FWIW I think as many people voted against Hilary as voted for Trump.
My argument is that voting on matters abut which most people have nothing to gain or lose, for example, banning fluffy dice hanging from car mirrors. Only the people that like them (very few) have an interest in the matter, the majority have no opinion but can easily be swayed to vote against with some tenuous pretext such as "it causes distraction". Of those who even bother to vote, they are almost sure to vote against because the outcome doesn't affect them, which is the tyranny of the majority masquerading as democracy.
I had started to think of all the reasons why it went that way, but in the end the simple summary is as you state - the people voted.
The problem with that though is what percentage of that 68% are vapers, I'd hazard a guess at none. They're probably not even smokers. The vote in this when it gets to the point is probably more related to smokers/vapers vs non smokers/non vapers who the vote doesn't really relate to. It might be democratic but for me in it's loosest definition.
Yes. We don't know the turnout but it was a local election and, if anything like the UK, probably pitifully low.
I'm not sure we can call it democracy to allow a simple majority vote on taking away rights from a small, niche minority. It would take a very enlightened electorate to produce a result other than the one seen. Such votes are simply the tyranny of the majority. True democracy also respects the rights of the minorities too.
Does this article actually do vaping/ecigarettes any favours?
Well it does mention in passing the changing attitudes of the health authorities to vaping and harm reduction compared to smoking, but mostly it seems to be aimed at getting quinoa-munching guardianistas spluttering about addiction and looking sillly.