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I'm not sure on that. The way Vamo's/Pro-Varis/Shinies are suggested to new vapers is definitely made out to be the thing to do. There's not much concern for how much nicotine they use up no matter how much reading you do. It's all about how much vapour you get and how much "better" this device will be, which I think is quite an odd approach to use for people trying to give up ciggies. As I say, maybe it's just me.

Sorry if I put words in your mouth - didn't mean to do that, so apologies on that one. (I've edited that post)

Doesn't that tell you something ?

It seems to me that anyone suggesting the Riva kit is not that great is missing a business opportunity if they have a better proposal. I can sort of see what mybad is saying with it being the only option suggested to newbies, but it does work (aside from the centre pin issue) and cuts through the fog of information to get someone vaping.

As far as I know, Jason at VapeEscape actually surveyed what people would want from a starter kit and came up with a winner. That's business, and good on him for doing it. I certainly think he's a great vendor, I didn't even feel the need to do a review after buying from him as his company is so well run. Rock solid, reliable and the benchmark as far as I can see.

There's no point grumbling it could be better and then come up with a proposal, which to use an analogy, sounds like how to rebuild a carburettor before you can drive, when all you want is a car that gets you from A to B.

To repeat my original point, the bar has been set very high to match that Riva kit for newcomers to vaping.

Hi nbee84 and welcome to AAEC.

The Riva is an excellent bit of kit. Definitely worth investing in if you want to give up the tabs.

You'll definitely get an inhale hit, in fact to start with it may be quite a lot stronger than a normal ciggie. The vapour from an e-cig can make even the most seasoned smoker cough like crazy until they get the technique right. This is, to some extent, why vaping is so successful at knocking the analogues on the head.

For flavours, as everyone else suggests, get small (no larger than 10ml) samplers to see what you like. I could advise 3 or 4 flavours that I personally love, but you might hate them. The batteries are easy to recommend, the flavours can take a while to find - and unfortunately that's the bit that's tricky. Sweet, baccy, puddings, menthol... everyone is different

For a complete new starter, one or two that may be worth looking out for are RY4 (can be a bit sweet), HS Storm and one that I particularly liked which was Temptation & Hedges - but again, you may hate those

I've posted on the link you posted Vital, but it seems that the way to get round this is to sell batteries, cartos/clearos and e-liquid as separate entities. Just don't package them as an "e-cigarette". It's a joke ruling that will be impossible to enforce.

They want to control E-Cigs as some form of standardisation, but to the extent that many on this forum understand E-Cigs it won't make a blind bit of difference, due to the fact that most people on here do not buy/use "E-Cigarettes". They buy/use components that could be used to constitute one, but that is not even on the radar.

Hi Cath, welcome.

I can only re-iterate what's already been said. The kit you've got in mind is brilliant but definitely don't order massive bottles of stuff you may not like. Sample bottle (up to 10mls) are the way to go.

I personally only use about 1.5mls of liquid a day, but I didn't really smoke during the day, mostly on the drive to/from work and mostly at home, but I suspect 2-3mls is about the average

I must admit, the ground work put in for the past few years, when many smokers, myself included, didn't even register are starting to pay off. Well done to people like Chrissie for sterling work even when these things were way below the radar.

My limited time using e-cigs means I have no real experience on the trials and tribulations of how ropey e-cigs used to be, but all of my circle of family and friends have been nothing but supportive and either are intrigued or already know somebody using them. I suspect there are a huge number of people wanting to give up smoking who are starting to come to sites like this having seen how successful vaping can be and exponential is how it could go. Long may it continue.

Unless some complete arse decides to make 4mg cig-a-likes the standard and ruins it all