Vendor responsibility

[collie2011]

Where has he said that @thescot?

Doesn't matter found it

[thescot]

Here in this forum in his 109 thread in the modders section

[shamreez]

I am not sure how to join this thread.

I had initially logged in to this forum to get some directions to vaping because I wanted to quite cigerettes completely. (Best decision as I am now cig free and I met some wonderful people here)

The first thing I understood after joining this fourm is that the results showing in a google search is not correct.

For example if you search for the best e-cig you would net be taken to a page of a provari or a darwin or a GG. You would be taken to the site of green smoke or blu or something like that.

These people are ridiculousy expensive mainly because they spend quite a lot for marketing and insuring their stuff.

But imagine a world were imeo would be spending money on marketing and insuring his stuff insteading wrecking his brains for new ways to vaping. The already pricy £100 + GG would become £200+ vaping which is not what I want.

So to cut the story short I know the risk I am taking when I am getting a mod from this greek guy or believing every word coming from hifi on his show. If I am not ready to take the risk than I should be buying those green smoke cigerettes or wait for the prices of all these mods to be tripled to accomodate the charges of the suppliers for insurance.

I wish to get my stuff cheap from these people and I want them to spend their time trying to discover things rather than worry about insurance and claims.

So if you want to take the risk and vape on the new cutting edge technology please come join and vape.

Else go buy some green smokes and sit with it in one hand and a cig in another hand and ofcourse cry out loud.

Just my personal opinion. So if I offended anyone I apologize

Cheers


PS: Where can I get some real cheap low resistance fluxomisers. I dont mind taking the risk of them exploding

[hissie]

I guess the issue isn't with the mods or many of the batteries, I would go as far to say that atties/cartos & batts such as the Riva/Tornado & Ego are the main cause of concern (if anything).

Many batteries that are used in mods such as the Golden Greek are just regular batteries that could be used in any appliance, same with the Trustfire chargers & the usb chargers.

[Chrissie]

Ah but Hissie, the batteries used in mods can be dangerous - especially if used in tandem & not charged & discharged at the same rate (paired). They can overheat & vent. Some mods like the GG's do have safety issues built in like vent holes etc, but many don't. Plus Raggy had some batteries explode while charging them in a Trustfire charger.

[shamreez]

well chrissie it can be taken in another way as I had mentioned.

If he wanted the perfect batteries he could have got it from some reputable company selling proper protected batteries. (The extra charge ofcourse is for the superior quality used and also to include all the extra cost procured by the manufacturer seeing all those claims and issues)

But if we go and get a cheap battery we should be taking the risk of this.

I want a perfect charger but would I pay £40 + for a pila charger which would gaurantee a proper charge and also give me a proper claim if the charger does something stupid. But do I do that no I buy a £8 trustfire charger and with that cheap price I also take the risk that my charger might not be charging my battery properly and also it might destroy the battery and also (God forbid) everything around it.

So I would still say that I would not think to this vendor claims thing too much because I cannot afford the extra cost.

And most of the vendors we meet for e-cig are pretty decent enough to return bad stock and in some case give new stuff for destroyed ones (The product mistake or due to bad handling by us)


Quite a lot of vendors who are also members in this forum are very popular because of the rate in which they sell stuff to us.

Do you think they would be able to give us stuff at this rate if they had to take in to account all those claims and accountability. I dont think so

As I had mentioned before it my personal opinion.

[hissie]

I get what your saying Chrissie, I'm just pointing out that the batteries are not just manufactured for use as e-cigs apart from Riva/Tornado/Ego style batteries.

It's like most things, in general when used correctly you are minimising the risks. Obviously, if folks decide to act against this, then it should be the user who is responsible.

As someone already pointed out, if you risk driving a car without insurance & have an accident, then it's the driver's responsibilty not the car manufacturer.

It's impossible to expect vendors to test every piece of equipment, that should be the duty of the manufacturer to ensure what they make is safe to use. It is also the responsibilty of the user to make sure they are not taking un-nessesary risks like leaving chargers on whilst not at home or overnight. I, personally, never leave any charger, including mobile phone charger, charging over night or whilst I'm not at home.

[foxy9212]

Any vendor of anything should supply goods with instructions and appropriate warnings. The contract is between vendor and purchaser and the purchaser should not be expected to have contact with the manufacturer - the manufacture has no legal obligation to communicate with a purchaser.

In the case of accidents, a court would look at each case on its merits and if full instructions and warnings had been ignored by a purchaser, this would be reflected in the court's findings.

All goods supplied should comply with statutory safety standards otherwise vendors and/or manufacturers could find themselves in trouble.

Of course, when purchasing goods from a private individual there is always a risk but there is also the option of taking out a private prosecution should anything untoward occur.

We've had a few squabbles documented on here between purchasers and vendors who refuse to, for instance, refund return postage on faulty goods. This is, of course, wrong as consumer's rights say that a full refund should be given, including return postage, for goods that are not fit for the purpose etc.

I'm always pretty careful where I buy my products, I like to think a vendor has the capital or insurance available should I sue the pants of him/her for exploding goods!

Fox

[VE Jason]

Jun 28, 2011 19:02:38 GMT @foxy9212 said:

I'm always pretty careful where I buy my products, I like to think a vendor has the capital or insurance available should I sue the pants of him/her for exploding goods!

Fox

It shouldn't do, but that made me laugh

[Lee]

A very interesting thread. Also very worrying. I think it highlights how 'lucky' we are at the moment. Every aspect of vaping has some risk associated with it but we carry on regardless. The only way to increase the safety side of things would mean a huge cost for all involved in vaping. Consumers and suppliers.

I personally feel that I make a judgement on what I want to do and accept the risks involved. It's my choice. I try my best to ensure nothing will go wrong but it doesn't mean it won't. I don't want to say too much here as it could be detrimental but there are issues here that are very iffy, for want of a better word.

[Chrissie]

Sham & Hissie Don't get me wrong, I was just pointing out that all lithium Li-ion batteries can be a hazard - no matter size, how or what they are used in. Check out the pics in this thread on ECF -

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/190146-pictures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html

However, the same thing could happen no matter what you use these batteries in.

It's coming up to 3 years since I bought my first e-cig & 2 & a half years since I bought my first big battery mod. In that time I've only had one issue with Li-ion batteries & that was with 2 16340's in tandem. My own fault as I wasn't pairing them. They where in my GG Grant & suddenly started to overheat - thank goodness for the vent holes in the GG & how easy it was to take the GG apart & instantly eject the batteries.

I'm not trying to scaremonger, but just trying to say be careful - especially when choosing a big battery mod. Apart from the GG's being so well made, Imeo has built in many safety factors (far more than many other mods). However, & I know Imeo will agree with me, unless you know what you are doing it's best not to stack batteries in any mod.

[james481538]

Now this is the debate I was looking for TBH.
I personally see it from both sides.
I understand as a customer I must take a certain risk assessment and I do when charging batts etc.
However where did I get that information from?
As a new person to vaping or anything I buy I scan the net.
I found all I needed from forums and not suppliers.
Now again not knocking any supplier because I still need my juice attys etc to feed my nicotine habit.

I guess what I am trying to point out is that to some extent this industry is a little floored if we come under the microscope.
Yes the nicotine will be the main focus but any other floor will be exposed.

It will only take one bod form the claim culture to get the wrong product add the wrong batts and squirt juice in his eye.
Put a claim in on the supplier of any of the above and bad press is all over the place.
As these things grow there will be one!

So rather than making this a vendor problem, how do we move this forward so everyone is protected.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned how Tesco are managing the risk. surely with the resources thay must have taken this into account?
I know they are multi national but they must have thought of it.

I want to protect my supply source in the UK and preparation is better than denial.
I would be interested in some ECITA feed back on this subject.
Have they approached Tesco for membership?

It's not all about insurance and claims.

[hifistud]

This is very interesting topic - so much so, that I'd like to open the VTTalk show with it tomorrow...

[Chrissie]

Excellent idea Hifi

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