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Welcome to the forum Bethy.

If you tell us what you smoke and how much then we can give a bit of guidance about liquids, but taste is a personal thing and also peoples' taste buds change a bit when they stop smoking.

So the best thing is to get 2 or 3 small bottles and see which you like best.

btw the kits recommended above are all good, but paradise Vape seems to me to be much the best deal. But get two, so you have one to use while the other is charging, and for back-up if you drop it or something. If you have a wall plug that has a USB socket (for iphone, kindle, or whatever) you can use the ecig usb chargers with it - no need to get another.

Good stuff dinamic22 - going to post a recipe for us?

It's a bit like selling roach pins, or other cannabis equipment - it may not contain any illegal drug, you may think the drug is harmless anyway, they may not be able to prosecute you for it, but you don't really want kids in the shop.

I think they'll ban the nicotine itself, unless sold as part of a medically-approved product. So you'll still be able to buy zero-nic juices.

A medically-approved product, incidentally, will be a over-priced, tasteless, unrefillable cig-alike. And I mean literally tasteless - "characterizing flavours" will be banned according to the EU directive. (No tax, as it happens - not even VAT on medical products.)

We need to stop this directive being implemented. Please write to your MEP and MP if you haven't already done so.

If we do succeed in stopping it, then nicotine may get taxed - after all it is an addictive drug. I don't think they will tax it though (apart from VAT), because it is so easy to smuggle. Governments (except in the 3rd world) have pretty much accepted that their income from taxing tobacco is going to go away, and they don't mind because non-smokers spend less time off sick, so the economy benefits when people give up smoking.

Forgot the tasting like s*** thing.

There'll be a reason. I guess with cartos its usually because the juice is burning or the wick is dry. Some of them need to be waved about a bit if they've been left still for a while, to let the juice travel up the wick. Another thing that can cause burning is a long hard draw.

If you hadn't stepped up womble then I guess I would have, but I'm glad you did. I'm getting a bit too old for pushing treacle up a hill, and the line between "passionate" and "grumpy old man" is pretty thin.

The chairman and secretary roles should be occupied by people who have been vaping a lot longer than me.

I don't actually like slagging something off unless I am prepared to do a little work to try and fix it, and I did say when you volunteered that if you wanted help, please ask. Though right now I seriously believe that ECCA is literally worse than useless - I suspect that there are people in the pharma industry thinking "vapers in the UK are clearly toothless, lets see if we can kill it there, it would make the next country easier". So I certainly don't feel like volunteering for anything which isn't overtly political.

And there is a limit to the time I would spend on this stuff, so if I'd been spending it trying to persuade the ECCA committee to change the way they thought, I probably wouldn't have got as far with my efforts as a private citizen, which have at least got some arguments listened to at junior minister level.

djtopping23

I keep my clearos upright when I'm not using them, but don't worry if they are on their sides otherwise. Like Cheralynn says, if they gurgle blow them out, but it won't happen often.

It's probably difficult to find good staff for vaping shops. If this forum is any guide, most of us are too old to want to do it.

I suppose I'd like ECCA to concentrate most on whatever seems most important at the time, which right now has to be protecting vaping from the legislators and bureaucrats.

ECCA can do a lot to help in the fight to stay legal, and should be doing a lot. It is shameful that it is not doing more. It will be listened to where individuals won't. It is for instance on the NICE list of stakeholders. Its German equivalent has been talking to the bureaucrats in Brussels. By doing nothing ECCA lets these people assume that UK vapers are either weak or uninterested.

I was at the last AGM, and yes, it was an unmitigated disaster. It failed to elect a secretary or chairman, amongst other failures. I'm sure if you read its constitution you'd find that ECCA has to have people in these roles, so now anybody who speaks on behalf of ECCA or spends money on behalf of ECCA is arguably doing so illegally. You have to appoint these officers - you can't just carry on without an agm.

For the rerun agm you need a system and a person with the ability to throw out the trolls quickly, and the chair needs to avoid becoming involved in the discussion and move reasonably swiftly to voting.

Apart from electing a chair and secretary, I'd like to see the agm consider, and hopefully agree, the proposition that ECCA's main focus for the current year should be defending our legal status. I'd like the officers to then commit to specific actions in that defence - such as contacting the relevant UK ministers, UK representatives on the EU committees considering the legislation, party leaders, and bureacratic bodies including NICE. All of which should have been done months ago.